Home
Saturday, 17 April 2010 00:00

Interview with A P Usthad

E-mail Print PDF
Share

When luminaries from the Beary community had gathered on the second day of the World Beary convention organised by the Beary Cultural Forum, Dubai, a prominent non Beary personality stole the limelight all the way. It was none other than Shaik Abubakkar Ahmad or the more familiar A P Usthad. The reason for his presence over there and the kind of respect and admiration he received is rather simple. A large section of Mangalorean Muslims have always held him in such high esteem that every major religious and social gathering would crave for his luminous presence. No wonder he was accorded the red carpet welcome at the World Beary Meet.

 

A P Ustthad envisioned the formation a Markaz for the propagation of Islamic culture and education even during his college days at Vellore Baqiyathussalihaat. He earned his Moulvi Fazil degree from Baqiyathussalihaat in 1964 and worked as Mudarrris in some Masjids in Kerala. In 1978, barely after 14 years after his education, he was able to establish the Islamic cultural and Education Centre – Markazussakafathissunniyya – which has now emerged as a one of the foremost seats of Islamic learning in the world. The Markaz grew from strength to strength exactly as he had envisioned it. At present a total of approximately 10,000 students are studying in this Markaz including 1,500 orphans. They come from different parts of India, including Kashmir and Haryana. The institution does not charge a penny either from orphans or poor students for their food, clothes, accommodation and medical expenses. It is estimated that the institution’s daily budget is around SR25, 000 which is raised through donations by philanthropists all over the world. The Al- Azhar University of Cairo has extended its recognition to the degree awarded by the Markaz. It is one those Islamic seats of learning in India which hosts frequent International seminars, symposiums and workshops on subjects ranging from Islamic studies to burning issues of modern days like terrorism. The Institution enjoys the frequent visits by renowned Islamic scholars of various countries of the world.

 

The philanthropic activities carried out by AP Usthad are exemplary in nature. The orphanages that run either directly under his supervision or under his patronage, adopt poor and orphan students of both sex and provide them with free food, accommodation and education until they are able to sustain themselves on their own. The  orphanage set up inside the Markaz Campus itself shelters more than a thousand orphan students. In addition, the Markaz under the leadership of AP Usthad has undertaken special projects to look after the people affected by natural calamities and riots. The children orphaned by earthquake in Andaman and Nicobar Islands and some provinces in India and Pakistan were adopted and sheltered by AP Usthad in his Markaz. He travelled across Kashmir to bring home hundreds of students who were either orphaned or denied education due to internal strife in Kashmir. He is also a social reformer and activist. He endeared himself to the people across India in general and Kerala in particular by leading various campaigns for the cause of national integration, anti terrorism etc.

 

The versatile and dynamic personality of AP Usthad could be understood from his involvement in various national and international activities

 

Seminar and Conferences attended by him:

 

Presided over various Islamic conferences conducted all over India on various occasions.

He has been attending the International Islamic Conference held by Islamic Supreme Council of The Arab Republic of Egypt almost every year since 1990.

In the year 1996 he attended the First International Unity Conference held in Los Angeles, U.S.A and delivered a lecture on Religious Harmony in India.

In the same year he attended an International Seminar held in British Columbia, Canada.

In the year 1998 he attended the Second Islamic Unity Conference held in Washington D.C, U.S.A.

In the Year 1999,  A P Usthad participated in the Inaugural ceremony of Masjid Abee Ubaidah Al Jarrah in Jordan and the Seminar on Importance of Prophetic Teachings.

In the year 2000 he attended the International Islamic Conference held in Sri Lanka

In the Year 2001 he attended the Islamic Conference held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

In the year 2003 he attended the International Fiqh Seminar, held in Johannesburg, South Africa

In the year 2004 he attended the Hasanyya lectures conducted in Morocco by His Majesty the King of Morocco.

He has been accorded with 'Special Guest' invitation continuously for the past several years in the years by the President of the United Arab Emirates in the Holy month of Ramadan.

 

Awards and Felicitations:

Award for the best social worker in the world by Darul Islam Academy, Rasal Khaima, UAE in 1992.

Indian Islamic Centre Award 2000 for the best social cultural and educational worker in India.

International Islamic Personality Award by Indo Arab Foundation UAE in 2006.

 

Excerpts from the interview taken by Coastaldigest team with A P Usthad during the World Beary Convention:

 

As section of Mangalorean Muslims considers you an integral part of their religious affairs and the term A P Usthad is familiar word in every household. How do you relate your special relation with Mangalore?

 

Usthad: History tells that Mangalore has always been considered a part of Malabar. Hence people of Malabar have kept a special relationship with Mangalore. After the formation of linguistic states, Mangalore became a part of Karnataka. But spiritually Mangalorean Muslims have always  associated themselves with the rest of  Malabar. People of Mangalore understand Malyalam. So, we have been able to deliver religious education and  discourses in Mangalore region and reach them powerfully. People of Mangalore love us, and we love them too.

 

Could you please tell us something about your education system?

 

Usthad: Islamic community is being pushed down as backward community everywhere. In such a scenario, only education can bring us forward. To know religion and follow it, we need Islamic education. At the same time the worldly education of is also highly essential. The Ambiyas, Awuliyas and scholars of Islamic age were all educated in the worldly knowledge and necessities of their time. With this intention, I started Markazussakafathissunniyya in 1978.  This was the fulfillment of my desire which I had when I came out of Vellore Baqiyaathussalihath. We have aligned Islamic education and worldly education to suit the need of the hour. Under the Markaz banner we started to spread education to districts of Kerala and later we started spreading it in rest of India. Now it is running with great success.

 

The fundamentals and jurisprudence of Islam cannot be changed. We have not changed anything of these. However, it is the demand of the generation to make Islamic education system respond to the present day necessities. In order to incorporate modern professional technical needs we have brought changes in the education provided in the Madrasas. Islamic history shows the example that style of education could be changed based on the need of the hour.

 

It is a fact that the kind of organized primary religious education system in Kerala is unique in India. We learn through media that you have a vision to spread the similar kind of religious education system to entire India. Could you please tell us about it?

 

Usthad: It is not appropriate to say the sound Islamic education system of Kerala emanated from our side only. Many a great ‘Aalims’ of our time and bygone era have contributed a lot to set up religious education system in Kerala. However, with the establishment of Markaz and our own education system, we  have understood the importance of the modern day education to deal with present day worldly necessities. Hence, we have propagated the philosophy of modern school education along with Islamic education. When Computer and Internet are the order of the day (Now it is said that we are going out of internet world to something new) we will lag behind if we don’t extract benefits out of it. In the past, to search a particular hadith we had to literally turn each page of the book, but now computers are helping us do the same by simply typing a word or a phrase from it. Hence we have started an education board called IEBI ( Islamic Education Board of India) that has worked successfully in Kerala and now we are focusing on the rest of India and achieving success in many places.

 

The Markaz is emerging as a University under your leadership. Could you please shed more light on the same?

 

Usthad: The Markaz was not established for anybody’s personal gain. In the past 33 years, I have continuously travelled across the world to collect funds for this organization but I have not taken a single Rupee as commission for my effort. Even those who do from outside also don’t take commission. There is no scope for commission at all. And everybody who works for the progress of the Markaz does  it  purely to earn favors from Allah (SWT). This is the basic success mantra of the Markaz.

 

The progress of Markaz is mainly because of the amalgamation of religious and worldly education. Students can complete  the highest stage of both education under one roof in an Islamic environment. Hence, Muslim students seeking both education ( worldly and Islamic) are flocking to Markaz in great number each year

 

The other reason is that Markaz has blessings from all righteous people and scholars from all over the world. I have brought eminent scholars of our time to Markaz time and again and their ‘ Duas’ are with us

 

It is learnt that Moulvi education provided at Markaz is fused (Joined together as a whole) with Worldly education to cope with the demands of present generation. Could you tell us about it?

 

Usthad: We have aligned Moulvi education with modern needs.  Most of the Moulvi graduates of Markaz in recent years are also proficient in English and other languages such as Urdu. Many of them are competent to impart religious education in English Language. As a  result  many Moulvi graduates from the Markaz are able to get jobs in countries like American Canada, S Africa and Malaysia and Middle East. Even within in India, they are able to get jobs because of the quality of education provided here in the Markaz. Each year more than 500 students go out either as religious scholars or other degree holders and everybody gets job.

 

What do you say about the practice of dowry system among Muslims?

 

Usthad: Dowry system is a menace to the Islamic society. It must be eradicated. We have organized many campaigns against it and many more are planned in the coming years. Each year the outgoing students and Moulvis of the Markaz pledge against the dowry system and vow to work against the dowry system.

 

Mangalore city needs a centre like your Markaz and you have emphasized such need in many of  your speeches in recent times. Is there any effort being done from your side to start a seat of higher Islamic learning in Mangalore city?

 

Usthad: We have a plan to start one such centre in Mangalore and an effort is being done now. Our organization and the Markaz had worked closely with Mangalorean philanthropists and scholars to construct the recently opened Masjid Thaqwa. The Masjid Thaqwa committee is in constant touch with me and we have are in search of a suitable location for the establishment of a seat of higher learning in Mangalore.

 


 

Comments  

 
Like [3]Dislike [2] #330 Micheline, Interview with A P Usthad2014-03-15
Try out the tips in this wedding photography posing guide at your next wedding for great results.
The inside of the lid provides all sorts of additional
storage for batteries, memory cards, filters and other smaller
accessories. You can even give to photograph some of their merchandise,
and present to reciprocate the referral to any brides who method you,
who may well not have heard of their certain bridal store.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #329 , Saudi Arabia2010-05-19
ಇಬ್ನ್ ಹಜರ್ (ರ) ರವರು ತನ್ನ ಫತ್ ಹುಲ್ ಬಾರಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿ ದರ ಘಟನೆಯ ಪೂರ್ಣ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಅಬೀ ಶೈಬ (ರ) ರವರು ತನ್ನ ಮುಸ್ವನ್ನಫ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ , ಸುಮಾರು ಹಿಜರಿ 235 ರಲ್ಲಿ ಮರಣಹೊಂದಿದವರು, ಸಯ್ಯಿದುಲ್ ಹುಫ್ಫಾಳ್ ( ಹಾಪೀಝ್ ಗಳ ನೇತಾರ ) ಎಂಬ ಕೀರ್ತಿ ನಾಮ ಅವರಿಗಿದೆ, ಇಮಾಮ್ ಬುಖಾರಿ (ರ) ಇಮಾಮ್ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮ್ (ರ) ಇಮಾಮ್ ಅಬೂದಾವೂದ್, ಇಮಾಮ್ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಾಜ ಮುಂತಾದ ಹದೀಸ್ ಗ್ರಂಥಕರ್ತರು ಇಬ್ನ್ ಅಬೀ ಶೈಬ ರವರಿಂದ ಹದೀಸ್ ವರದಿ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಇಮಾಮ್ ನಸಾಯೀ (ರ) ರವರು ಇಬ್ನ್ ಅಬೀಶೈಬರವರ ಕೆಲವು ಶಿಷ್ಯಂದಿರಿಂದ ಹದೀಸ್ ವರದಿ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಆಗ ನ್ಯೂ ಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳು ಇರಲಿಲ್ಲ, so ಈ ವಿಶಯ ಹದೀಸ್ ಗ್ರಂಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಬಂತು. ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ಶರೀಫ್ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು “ ಯಾರಸೂಲಲ್ಲಾ ಎಂದು ಕರೆದು ತಮ್ಮ ಅಹವಾಲನ್ನು ಮುಂದಿಡುತ್ತಾರೆ, ಆಗ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಸ್ವಪ್ನ ದರ್ಶನವಾಗಿ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರಿಂದ ನಿಮಗೆ ಮಳೆ ಬರಳಿದೆ, ಎಂಬ ಸಂತೋಷ ವಾರ್ತೆ ಮತ್ತು ಉಮರ್ (ರ) ರವರ ಆಡಳಿತ ದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಮಾರ್ಗದರ್ಶನ ಲಭಿಸುತ್ತದೆ, ಇಲ್ಲಿ فأتى عمر فأخبره ಎಂಬುದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಆ ಸಹಾಬಿ ವರ್ಯರು ಉಮರ್ (ರ) ರವರ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ವಿಷಯ ತಿಳಿಸಿದರು ಎಂದಿದೆ, ಆದರೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಯು This Man did not told Umar Raliyyalahu Anhu about His visiting to rawdha Rather he told about Dream. & its Direction ಮಹಾ ಸುಳ್ಳನ್ನು ಬಿಡುತ್ತಾನೆ, ಓ ಬಡಪಾಯಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಈ ಹೊಸ ಸುಳ್ಳಿನ ಸಂಶೋಧನೆ ಮಾಡಿ ನಿಮಗೆ ನುನುಚಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ ,
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #328 , Saudi Arabia2010-05-19
ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣಗಳ ಮುಂದಿಟ್ಟು ಚರ್ಚಿಸಲು ಆಗದೇ ನೀವು ಕಟ್ಟಿದ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನುಚ್ಚುನೂರಾಗಿ ಬಿಟ್ಟದ್ದು ನಿರೀಕ್ಷಿತವೇ ಅಗಿದೆ, ಒಂದು ವಾರ ಕಳೆದರೂ ನನ್ನ ಕಮೆಂಟ್ಸ್ ನ ಖಂಡಿಸಲು ನೀವು ಯಾಕೆ ಮುಂದೆ ಬರಲಿಲ್ಲ, ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಇವೆಲ್ಲಾ ಸತ್ಯ ಎಂದು ಗೋಷಿಸಿದ್ದನ್ನು ಕೊಟ್ಟದ್ದು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಬೆನ್ನಿಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮದೇ ನಾಯಕನಿಂದ ಚಾಟಿಯೇಟು ಕೊಡಲಿಕ್ಕಾಗಿತ್ತು, ಅದು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ತಿಂದಿದ್ದೀರಿ .
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #327 , DXB IXE2010-05-19
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ

Walaqad yassarna alqurana lilththikri fahal min muddakirin
54:40 And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #326 , Dubai, Mlore2010-05-18
Al Hamdulillah,

You be a professor, It's one of the best thing i would wish. Insha Allah. May Allah Make it easy for your carrier.

It is not me who said that to understand Quran is easy. It is Allah, who says in Quran. I think you are mistaken.

And thus have We sent it (the Qur'an) down to be a judgment of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or Waq (defender) against Allah. (Ar-Rad, Ch#13, V#37)

two things are mentioned in this Aayath.

One is about Arabic of-course. second is about having Wali(protector) is also mentioned.

This is not only the verse. please see below,

12:2 We have sent it down as an ARABIC Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.

16:103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is ARABIC, pure and clear.

20:113 Thus have We sent this down - an ARABIC Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him).

26:195 In the perspicuous ARABIC tongue.
Continued …..
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [2] #325 , Dubai, Mlore2010-05-18
39:28 (It is) a Qur'an in ARABIC, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil.

41:3 A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in ARABIC, for people who understand;-

41:44 Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than ARABIC, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in ARABIC and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

42:7 Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an ARABIC Qur'an: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire.

43:3 We have made it a Qur'an in ARABIC, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).

46:12 And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the ARABIC tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #324 , Dubai, Mlore2010-05-18
I do Believe that you have clipping, and also i know that you will find so many king of liars. But we have nothing to those liars, but to find the truth opposite to those lies. you can mail me to my contact if you dont want to post here in public. mashrafk at hotmail.

And i wish i would see those king of liar where if it is true what you are saying may be i am unaware about it. so please do educate me.

Brother Basheer. please do share the info. it will increase your knowledge as well.

Sory if i am irritating by pasting the Quraanic Aayath, Suran Zumur, 39: V2-3

2. Verily We have sent down the Book to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) in truth: So worship Allah (Alone) by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allah's sake only.

3. Surely the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #323 , Jeddah2010-05-17
Dear Ashraf Bhai,

Many times we came up with questions, you posted many clippings. It really shows your good understanding of English language. Keep it up. Days are nearby to become a professor in reputed university.

You argue that for muslims it will not be difficult task to understand Quran. What were those great imams who supported Isthigasa ? Have not they seen these ayaths?

Simple question, Navavi imam has supported Thawassul and Isthighasa in his Kitabul Adhkar.
Do you use the same weapon against Imam Navawi as he supported shirk?

We have requested you many times to come to the point. But you always indulge yourself in futile arguments.

If you don’t have accurate answers for our simple questions, please let us know. Don’t waste the time dragging things unnecessarily without coming to the point we raised here.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #322 , Jeddah2010-05-17
Believe me, I too have clippings to make you understand who is king of liar. But I don't do that as it is unwarranted here. There will be no scarcity for clippings from our side as well to prove your scholars lies.

Nobody posted any clippings so far expect you. that is why I said you are good at posting clippings.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #321 , Dubai, M'lore2010-05-17
And believe me i posted the clipping for you to understand the lier. not for entertainment.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #320 , Dubai, M'lore2010-05-17
Dear Basheer Bhai,

Great, Thanks for clarifying the Doubt. but i dint come to conclusion saying that you have accepted. this clear English if you don't understand how come the language you don't know (Arabic) will be understanding.

For us (Muslims) it will not be a difficult task to understand Quran. because Allah says,

Verily, We have sent it down as an arabic Qur'an in order that you may understand. (Yusuf, C#12, V#2)

And thus have We sent it (the Qur'an) down to be a judgment of authority in Arabic. Were you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any Wali (protector) or Waq (defender) against Allah.
(Ar-Rad, Ch#13, V#37)

It is clear Alhamdulillah.

As you said is right. This is our weapon with the Mushriks. But if you do shirk and become mushrik, its not my fault that i will use this weapon.

Dear Br. You can’t define Istigasa, and what so ever. At least agree or disagree what Abu Maryam is explained.

cont....
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #319 , Dubai, M'lore2010-05-17
I need some favor from you today if you can do it. (NO FORCE)

1. I want you to give me a example for istighasa. but this example should be with you. i mean if you are in need of some thing, how can you make istighasa.

2. What are the words to be used in the istighasa.

3. Is istighasa a kind of Ibadath. If yes, Can you Quote a Verse from Quran for the Order of Istighasa, or even a Hadeeth of Rasool (SA) with reference. But I don't Need any explanation as done before.

4. Is Isthighasa "Dua"

May Allah guide us All....
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [5] #318 , Jeddah2010-05-17
Dear Ashraf Bhai,

I have seen here you are good at posting some clips which are unjustifiable. Abu Maryma did not do that. So, I liked it. I did not mean his arguments are right.
Use your common sense to judge what I said here. Do not come to conclusion.

Come to the point, don’t drag the things to somewhere if you cant justify the things we raised here.

What do you know about Quran other than some ayaths in Quran which you people use as weapons to brand we sunnis as mushriks? Do you think that our alims are those who studied some ayaths in Salafi centre? They have seen the ayaths you quoted here.

If these ayaths are against Tawassul & isthigasa,…… DID GREAT IMAMS FAIL TO GRASP THE MEANING OF THESE AYAHTS since they have supported Tawassul & isthigasa in their books?

Questions posed by Mr. Ismail Permude is still pending without answered. We need the accurate answers with proper justification. If you cant do it, please leave it Abu Maryam, he may answer better than you.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #317 , Dubai, Mangalore.2010-05-16
Basheer Bhai,

Do you agree with answer of Abu Maryam,

Do you accept that he has told is Truth.

If yes. Alhamdulillah.

But i would like to suggest you one more aayah 59 of Surath-un-nisa. "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination."

I would like tell you, as Ismail said below you can see "I have clearly written in my earlier replies that we will not discuss about AP Ustad, Perode Ustad, Hussain Salafi, because what they do are not proofs in Islam."
Allah say follow Allah, Follow Rasool (SA) and also your people in authority, if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger.

continued....
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #316 , Dubai, Mangalore.2010-05-16
See here we differ in matters. so let us refer to Quran first. as Allah mentioned in in Suran Zumur, 39: V2-3
2. Verily We have sent down the Book to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) in truth: So worship Allah (Alone) by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allah's sake only.
3. Surely the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.

Here when it is crystal clear that not to worship or even make as awliyaa beside Allah.
So why do we argue, saying we are not worshiping them, but ask them to get us near to Allah. This is what Allah is clearly mentioned in this Aaya.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [5] #315 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-05-16
Dear Abu Maryam,

You have tried to justify your stand quoting some references from Imams’ books. Not by video clip, I really appreciate it. Anyway, I hope Mr. Ismail Permude will answer you again.

By the way, There are still 3 more questions pending to be answered by you posed by Mr. Ismail Permude.

Could you please answer those as well with solid proof?
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [5] #314 , Permude2010-05-16
Dear Salafi Brothers,

Do not mention the names of any Imams, in particular Al-Haafil Ibn Hajr (R.A). They are Imams to Ahl Sunna people, not to Salafis. Imams' Kitaabs are full of Thawassul and Isthighasa.

Do you yoursleves have read the Kitabs of Imams, except for what your Moulavis use to misquote. Would you have become Salafi, had you read and believed in the Kitaabs of Imaams?

Would you turn away from Salafism, if I quote numerous references from the Kitaabs of Imams with page numbers, which have not only justifications for Thawassul and Isthighasa, but Ishtighasa by themselves.

We have no time to induldge in futile arguments. You Salafis will never ever come to the fold of Islam, even if the truth becomes as clear as day light. We are very well aware of the Hadith Sharief repoted in this regard, you people are compared to the arrow shot from the bow, which will not return. We do not need any sort of explanation to justify your new religion. We have learnt enough in Dars.

Why do you you not touch the subject of Imam Navavi's Kitabul Adhkar.

I mentioned about the foremost Kitaabs of foremost Imams of all 4 Madh-hab, which have fool proof evidences to Isthighasa.

if you are blind to the truth, we are not.

So no more disucssion.

Lekum Deenukum Waliyadeen.
 
 
Like [9]Dislike [0] #313 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
so, al Hafidh Ibn Hajar rahimahu Allah understood from this hadith that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was directing the man to go ask the Imam, during that time (Umar radiyallahu anhu), to do istisqa' for them.

NOTE : there is so many discussions in this narration..
The Bottom Line is..

This Man did not told Umar 9Raliyyalahu Anhu about His visiting to rawdha Rather he told about Dream. & its Direction..

Did Umar Asked Prophet (Salllalhu Alahi Wa Salalam) Darectly?????

Or did He used third type of legislated tawassul?

he used a pious person Who is in between them.

will continue & i will try to touch every topics & the other Hadeeths which you mentioned in your previous comments
 
 
Like [8]Dislike [0] #312 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
The Scholars Reply:

There is no clear evidence in the hadith that the man told Umar of him going to the grave, but clearly he did tell him of the dream, telling him the message of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
so to say that he told him about his istisqa' at the grave is an assumption, and we can't use assumptions as evidence.


& point # 2 is What Imams of Hadith and other Imams understood this hadith to mean:

A. Hafidh Ibn Hajar al Asqalani -rahimahu Allah- in his books "Fath al Bari":

He sites it in the chapter "The people asking the Imam to do istisqa' in times of drought", in the chapter heading section, in which he quotes hadiths that have relevance to the chapter heading, and that connect it with hadiths that come under that chapter.
And amongest those narrations he mentions the narration of Malik al Dar, and he only quotes part of the narration, he stops at "go to Umar", he used this as evidence that people ask the Imam to do istisqa for them in times of drought. He didn't mention the rest of the hadith because it has nothing to do with the chapter heading, he only quoted what he believed fits the chapters title, for he says at the end of the section, after mentioning this narration:
ظَهَرَ بِهَذَا كُلّه مُنَاسَبَة التَّرْجَمَة لِأَصْلِ هَذِهِ الْقِصَّة أَيْضًا وَاَللَّه الْمُوَفِّق .
"From all of this appears the relevance of the chapter heading to the origin of this story"
 
 
Like [7]Dislike [0] #311 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
The text of the narration:

It is related from Malik al-Dar, `Umar's treasurer, that the people suffered a drought during the time of `Umar (his khilafah), whereupon a man came to the grave of the Prophet and said:
"O Messenger of Allah, ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished," after which the Prophet appeared to him in a dream and told him: "Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: You must be clever, you must be clever!"

The man went and told `Umar. The latter said: "O my Lord, I spare no effort except in what escapes my power!""

The ones who use this Naraation for this type of tawassul say that Umar radiyallahu anhu did not rebuke the man who did istisqa' at the grave.
 
 
Like [7]Dislike [0] #310 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
As your claim

Ismail Permude, Permude — 2010-05-11
All Brothers, Assalamu Alaikum

All in this forum have just started to discuss something serious and related to the subject of debate. Do not conclude it at this stage. A few replies were to

a) If Ishthighasa with Ambiya, Auliya is not permissible, why did not Umar Farooq (R.A) who is only second to Abubaker Siddiqui (R.A) in merits did not oppose the action of the person who went to the Rawla Sharief to complain about the draught? Why did he pray Ishtishqa based on this person’s instructions in dream

So.. lets Start our discuss...

The Above Story is from a narration

The About narration (it is Not a Hadeeth)

this narration is used by Sufis as evidence for tawassul that is asking the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) to make duaa to Allah for them AFTER HIS DEATH.


Continued.....
 
 
Like [8]Dislike [0] #309 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
Continued


(B) Illegitimate Tawassul: all means which aren't proven in the Qur'aan and authentic Hadeeth (which have mentioned only the above 3 types).

Illegitimate Tawassul includes:

- Tawassul through another person rather than his du`aa, commonly known as tawassul bidh-dhaat, which is bid`ah as it is not proven in the Qur'aan and authentic Hadeeth.

- Tawassul through a person who is dead or not present, which is also bid`ah for the same reason.

These two types can be considered Shirk Asghar as they are a means to Shirk Akbar, and may necessitate polytheistic beliefs such as believing that the dead can hear and/or respond to du`aa, or those who are not present can hear without any apparent means of communication and/or respond to du`aa.

- Tawassul by taking someone/thing as an intermediary (waasitah) between oneself and Allaah in worship, i.e. worshipping them to seek nearness to Allaah [Cf. Qur'aan 39:3], and it is this type which is Shirk Akbar.

Insha Allah discuss will continue with the Reference of Hadeeths...
 
 
Like [7]Dislike [0] #308 , RE: Permude2010-05-16
Assalam Alaikum...

Dear Brother Ismail...

Can you understand this...

Tawassul (seeking a means of nearness to Allaah) is of 2 types, legitimate (mashroo`) and illegitimate:


(A) Legitimate Tawassul: all those means that are proven in the Qur'aan and authentic Hadeeth:

1- Tawassul through Allaah's Most Beautiful Names and Lofty Attributes

2- Tawassul through one's good deeds and eemaan

3- Tawassul through a pious person's du`aa as long as he is alive and present
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [5] #307 , Permude2010-05-16
My dearest brothers Believer/Abu Humaira/Ashraf ibn AbdulKareem
You quoted Ayaths from Qur’an several times and asked us, was Allah not enough for us. My below replies cover answer for all of these. If these Ayaths are meant for asking with someone other than Allah, and it meant worshipping someone beside Allah, are not these great personalities aware of this.
Therefore my questions are:
1) Is Umar Farooq (R.A)’s a Muwahhid or not, if yes, why didn’t he object to the act of Isthighasa

2) Regardless of giving Jannah or not, as reported in Shaheeh Muslim, can anyone ask Nabi (S.A) for a PLACE IN JANNAH with him.

3) Is there anywhere reported after that, that Nabi (S.A) had asked the Shahabi to renew his Shahadah, if he had committed an act of SHIRK by asking a PLACE IN JANNAH with Nabi (S.A)

4) Why didn’t you reply about Thawassul and Isthighasa in Imam Navavi’s Kitabul Adhkar. Is Imam Navavi a Muwahhid or not? If Yes, why not Sunnis are Muwahhids, who are only following the teachings of past Imams of Islam Deen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #306 , Permude2010-05-16
My dearest brothers Believer/Abu Humaira/Ashraf ibn AbdulKareem have replied to my comments. But I didn’t like your writing in the middle, which broke the continuity of my write up.
Though my replies in themselves have the answers for all of your questions, I feel it is against the ethics not to reply:
Brothers posted some You-tube clippings:
By Allah’s immense grace I can beautifully defend Perode exposing the deceptions of Hussain Salafi. But, I will never do it here, since this is not at all the subject we are talking about. But, I request my dearest brothers to watch the relevant CDs of Perode’s answers, as I always fully watch CDs brought out by the opposite side. Moreover, I have clearly written in my earlier replies that we will not discuss about AP Ustad, Perode Ustad, Hussain Salafi, because what they do are not proofs in Islam.
Hope this is very clear to you.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #305 , Permude2010-05-16
My dearest brothers Believer/Abu Humaira/Ashraf ibn AbdulKareem wrote: Allah says "I have not created Mankind and Jinns except worship ME".
Yes in this context everything we do with good intention is worship and it earns reward of Allah. Even I can earn reward from Allah for the work I do in the office, if my intentions are to earn in Halal way to take care of my family including parents and those who are under my care or so. In the meantime, should not this be called SHIRK, if we judge by the criteria you people apply for worship. Though it is an act of worship, does it come under the worship categorized under “no one except Allah deserves to be worshipped”.
And you wrote, “Rasool (SA) said: Addua huwa-al-Ibaadah”. It is an Ahadith and very much true. And you also wrote, “The Dua is also a act of worship. now if i say salaam is also a dua. its act of worship. I say Darood, its dua and it is also a act of worship”. Yes let us come to the point – if you say Salam, it is also a dua, but is it SHIRK, no at all. By the same token, Thawassul and Isthighasa are also very much recommended acts, which earns the pleasure of Allah. You people agree that we can make Thawassul through our good deeds and Ashmaushifaat. Why not make Thawasuul of a person whom Allah has honoured. And it is a proven fact that Ambiya and Auliya are living in their kabr, which Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya also confirmed. Before justifying the act of Ishthighasa let me answer your question about Isthighasa.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #304 , Permude2010-05-16
continued.........
You asked to explain Isthighasa with an example. What that Shahabi did (complained about the draught) at the Rawla Sharief of Nabi (S.A) during the time of Umar Farooq (R.A) is an example and the act of Isthighasa. Umar Farooq (R.A) nod to this act and praying Isthisqa based on this incident is the pool proof evidence that this is a much recommended act, let alone SHIRK.
Since Umar Farooq (R.A)’s nod to an Islamic act is not enough for your people, let me quote not an Ahadith, but the Ayath 4:64 of Sura An-Nisa (which a brother has already quoted in one of his replies, but you have not bothered to answer). If you reject this Ayath as not a proof for Isthighasa, I will give reference with page numbers from the foremost books of Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’ee and Hambali school of thoughts written hundreds of years back by the foremost scholar of each school of thought, in explanation of this Ayath. Also, apart from other Thafseer’s, I will give reference with page numbers from Ibn Kathir’s explanation of this Ayath.
If you reject all of them, it will show the true colours of Salafis. Because, when I went through all the comments even before I entered this debate forum, I have seen you brothers accusing as if present day Sunni scholars have introduced all these practices into Islam.
If you want to reject, reject all the scholars of past, those who have passed away some 1000 to 1200 years back.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #303 , Permude2010-05-16
My dearest brothers Believer/Abu Humaira/Ashraf ibn AbdulKareem wrote: “Sahaabi Asking for Jannah, ! Maasha Allah. Read the Ahadeeth properly Bro. What it says. When did Sahaabi ask for Jannah, did Rasool SA. Give it. NO. but Rasool SA asked a HELP. dose Rasool SA need Help from us also. How come. Why do Rasool SA Need Help”.
My brothers, be logical while asking questions. I want to reply this from my earlier reply. Is not Sulaiman (A.S) a messenger of Allah? Why did he ask the supernatural help of one his subjects to bring the throne, which was miles away. Is it because Allah is not enough?
On many instances, Nabi (S.A) has asked his Shahaba to help Allah (does Allah need help?), which meant to help His Deen with their person and wealth. Your such questions only shows foolishness.
Giving Jannah or not at all the matter in question. Do not confuse. The matter in question is WHETHRE SOMEONE CAN ASK NABI (.SA) to grant a place in Jannah with him? And the Shahabi did ask NABI (S.A) for a place in Jannah with Nabi (S.A), as proved in the Hadith. Did Nabi (S.A) scold him that he committed SHIRK and ask to renew his Shahada?. Answer me.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #302 , Jeddah2010-05-16
Dear Ashraf Bhai,

I know you can write a lot. It looks like essay competition being conducted for children. Children tend to complete the essays by writing whatever they feel without reaching the point at all. You are not asked to write an essay, come to the point.

Trying to be smart is not a solution. You are talking about the answers. First of all, give us the answers for the matters we raised here.

If you want to avoid debate in India, don't post something funny.

What do you know about Quran other than some ayaths which you people use as weapons to brand we sunnis as mushriks? Don’t think that our scholars are not those who studied some ayaths in Salafi centre.

You people never wish for debate in India, tell us the reason behind this.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #301 , Bahrain2010-05-16
Dear Brothers ,


Shaikuna A.P Ustad, A great luminaries of Islam, A King, A teacher, A Imam, builder of Islam, Orphans father, Educationist, Back bone and leader of AHLU-SUNNA. We are proud to have such a Ulama....I don’t have any words to Praise him..All the world i found is not suite for the great scholarly scholar of islam
I don’t want to comment my words. These are the 2 example which I personally when I interrogated
When i was consulting in my clinic...A Bahrain layman approached me with low back ache, meanwhile his treatment he asked me about Shaikh A.P USTAD and PAROD..He praised the ustad like anything. I astonished.....Everyday he used to explain me.
One of Hindu friend praised Ustad.....I want to put his word here. “Once i was supposed to meat AP USTAD...Politeness, smooth word, smiling face, charming eyes”,........so on he ends by saying” I can notice some extra 6th sense in him....His whole nature...moreover his face depicting godly involvement....”His eyes swept.
May Almighty Allah bestow him good health, wealth and long life.

May Almighty Allah grant all of us to serve Deen Al Islam under the leadership of Shaikhuna Ustad.

May beloved and heartfelt thanks go to Mr. Kamarudden and Coastal Digest for bringing this valuable interview of A.P. Ustad.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #300 , Bahrain2010-05-15
Shaikhuna A.P. Ustad is one of the great, personalities of Muslim Ummah.Famous world wide with his preechings of Islam.Not only India whole world respect him.He invited for the by most of the Asian,Middle East countries as Muslim scholar,few month back he was invited by Bahrain country for religious delegation.
Not only in India , but through out the world, Muslim pupils are enriched with Ustad’s impeccable thoughts. Many poor pupils and orphans are under his arm.
Founder of Markaz,an unmatchable institution that provide knowledge of right path
I am wordless to praise him,one of Hindu friend explain ustad as "Once i was supposed to meet him directly his polite nature,sweet voice, charming face..the face in which i can find 6th sence....and .... i dont know how i can explain...I was tremmering..His eyes swept"



May Almighty Allah bestow him good health, wealth and long life to serve the people of the world,I am very sure irrespctive of enemies Ustad and his institutions will grow to the peak.

May Almighty Allah grant all of us to serve Deen Al Islam under the guidence and avise of Shaikhuna Ustad.

May sinceare and heartfull thanks go to Mr. Kamarudden and Coastal Digest for publishing this praiseless interview of Respected A.P. Ustad.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #299 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-15
Allah Has given their e.g. in Suran Zumur, 39: V2-3.
2. Verily We have sent down the Book to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) in truth: So worship Allah (Alone) by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allah's sake only.

3. Surely the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #298 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-15
Muslims dont mind to have a debate with anybody anywhere who dont know about the Quran and who dont have it. But dont you know Quran. If you cant understand it who is responsible. And so called Salafies are even in India. And this SP sagafi knows me personally. he is also one of the reason for me to embrace the Manhaj of Salaf-us-Saleheen.

But why dont you answer me for my points. dont you have the pin point answer.????

The one who fear Allah will never fear any one else. he dont fear to produce proof even. show up. dont run calling for a debate. bring us the proof, if you are truthful.

As a matter of fact, people who are thinking will understand the open ground. this is a open ground for you O' Basheer Bhai, to prove your Manhaj. But it is only for those who are understanding.

What are you trying to gain by asking help other then Allah. What are you trying to prove by asking the saliheens. Are you trying to say that these saleheens are near to Allah and they will help you when Allah dont want to give you. in that case this it self is the rejection of faith. You are claiming Allah will not answer your call for help... isn't it... A Muslim is not so. He has a firm Belief. Al Hamdulillah.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #297 , Jeddah2010-05-15
Why do these so called salafi fear for debate in India ?
Rasool (SA) never fear of his Safety in the place of Musriks, where they had the treat. No sahabees feared, no one from the salafu saalaheens feared.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #296 , Dubai Nangalore2010-05-15
This is the real face of so called Sunnies.

Rasool (SA) never fear of his Safety in the place of Musriks, where they had the treat. No sahabees feared, no one from the salafu saalaheens feared. we dont fear, why do these so called sunnies fear???

Dear Believer, No use to call them for a debate. they couldn't answer a few question which is not face to face. how can they answer face to face?

Allah Has given their e.g. in Suran Zumur, 39: V2-3.
2. Verily We have sent down the Book to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) in truth: So worship Allah (Alone) by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allah's sake only.

3. Surely the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.

Here it is clear not to worship or make as awliyaa beside Allah. Now one may argue, saying we are not worshiping them, but ask them to get us near to Allah. this is what Allah is clearly mentioned in this Aaya.

Continue...
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #295 , Dubai Nangalore2010-05-15
As the Ahadeeth, "Addua'a Hu-al-Ibaadah." Even Dua is Ibaadha (act of worship).

So how do they ask help with those who are no more in this world. who so ever it is. Might be Ali (RA) or Isa (AS) or any other Great Islamic personalities. How? let them give an example. if it not against this aayah.

And one more thing. The Shafi following sunnies, they take only things which is approved by Shafi (May Allah have mercy on Him) why dont they have a maulid on his name. why do Muhiyaddin shaikh have a maulid....?????

Dear Brothers in Islam. for those these questions will be more then enough. not required any debate. debate is for those who dont have No Quran with them. like Ahle-e-kitaab. Lets not debate with them, who have Quran in their hands. but just bring these questions. if they understand is better. if they bring the answer is better for us as well as themselves. they cant bring the answer for this. ilaa yaumul kiyaamah. Because the answer will be against Quran which they cant go against it even in their dreams. and also the shaitan fears Allah more then human being, but cannot help himself against truth. he is d'zaeef (loyeef). he is also Helpless. let them Pray to Allah for Help. we pray to Allah as he is near to us. near then ourself.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #294 , Jeddah2010-05-15
Dear Believer,
Has he come for debate on receiving your invitation? Not at all. He might have come for some other purpose.
The secular country like India is not suitable place for debate for your scholars like Husain Salafi, Zakariya, Haneef Kaikodi etc
How right is it to call Hamza saqafi for debate in a country which favour Wahhabi principles? Hamza saqafi wants to reach India safely.

If you really need debate, just get ready for it in india. As soon as Hamza saqafi reaches India, we can organize debate.
It is honest call from our side,no prejudice,no negative thinking or any foul play.

Dont forget it is an honest call.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #293 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-14
Assalam Alaikum All the Brothers in this forum, here's the great opportunity !!!Atleast people living in Kuwait can arrange a debate with one of The famous sunni activist Mr.S.P.HAMZA SAQAFI,who's in Kuwait at present.
Brothers we approached some of our sunni brothers here in kuwait to make a peaceful,healthy debate with above said sunni activist. We think this's an very good opportunity atleast for people who are living in abroad.But they are not showing any interest,So please someone in this forum specially ABU MOHAMMED,SAMIULLA,FAZAL RAHMAN,ISMAIL PERMUDE OR SUHAILHISAM please help out in this regard to arrange an debate with him.It's honest call from our side,no prejudice,no negative thinking or any foul play.
If you brothers are really bother about the plight of we muslims, atleast speak to him & ask him to contact us if he's ready for the debate.
And also if you need media coverage,recordings or any kind of other sources Inshaallah we will arrange it once we get your nod for this.
I appreciate if someone take this seriously.
Once we get the reply from your side definately inshaallah we will provide our cell no or mail ID.

REMEMBER IT'S AN HONEST CALL.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #292 , Jeddah2010-05-14
Don’t try to be very smart. When I said you are going out of the tract, you just posted your next comment (this above comment) on your comment only instead of posting it on below my comment so that it appears above my comment to make the people in this forum feel that why Basheer is simply accusing Asharf of going out of the track.

Now you claim that you are in track posting the above comment. Actually, When you said, why I became salafi, I deemed it out of the track.

Don’t try to fool me & the people in this forum.

Why did you not post your above comment on my comment below (which says out of track???

Let us discuss later on the things you posted next.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #291 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-14
Sahaabi Asking for Jannah, ! Maasha Allah. Read the Ahadeeth properly Bro. What it says. When did Sahaabi ask for Jannah, did Rasool SA. Give it. NO. but Rasool SA asked a HELP. dose Rasool SA need Help from us also.

How come. Why do Rasool SA Need Help
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #290 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-14
Allah says "I have not created Mankind and Jinns except worship ME"

If we dont the the act of worship then why is this act. and what is the benefit.

Rasool (SA) said: Addua huwa-al-Ibaadah.
The Dua is also a act of worship. now if i say salaam is also a dua. its act of worship. I say Darood, its dua and it is also a act of worship.

So what is tawassul or istighasa.?

Making Adhkaar is also Ibaadah. isnt it.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #289 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-14
Dear Mr. Permude, I want to learn with you.

Please tell me what is Istighasa, Give an example. Please let me know did Rasool SA teach Istigasa. A Hadeeth with ref. also please.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #288 , RE: Permude2010-05-14
Dear Br. Permude,

please tell me which one of this is a lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcn1O48IeE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnkQXVxztEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bAYPBpsBPo&feature=related

See the aayah 4 of Surah Nisa...

وَآتُواْ النَّسَاء صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً فَإِن طِبْنَ لَكُمْ عَن شَيْءٍ مِّنْهُ نَفْسًا فَكُلُوهُ هَنِيئًا مَّرِيئًا (4:4)
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #287 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-13
It is in track, I am in track. i am asking for the answer for my questions. Why dont you answer. with ref.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #286 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-13
It is in track, I am in track. i am asking for the answer for my questions. Why dont you answer. with ref.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ

49:6 O you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #285 , Permude2010-05-13
My Dearest Brother Believer, Assalamu Alaikum, May Allah include you, me and all our brothers among His true believers. I really appreciate your concern and comments.

Please do not mistake me. As you said, I did not side with any group, but I sided with the truth. There is nothing personal at all in these matters. I am of the opinion that, if you have identified yourself with the opposite group of Sunnis, you have found some reason to do so. If I have identified myself with traditional Sunnis, I have my own reasons. Because, my father, mother, my grand fathers and forefathers from both my maternal and paternal side were traditional Sunnis. They all lived for La Ilaha Illallah and died proclaiming La Ilaha Illallah. Having evidences as clear as day light from Qur’an, Sunna, Thafseer Qur’an and books of Imams, I will never ever have a second thought about Sunnis being in the right path of Salafu Swalihoon.

Yet, I feel it is my duty to clarify the misconceptions, without least indulging in personal blame game. To clarify the misconceptions, I need to be a curious listener to your arguments and a learner as well. I should not reject any of your arguments straight-out with prejudiced views. At the same time, I see you peoples comments contain all sorts of lies, derogatory remarks about Sunni Ulemas and all Sunnis in general. I need to remind you that traditional Sunni practices have their roots in Salafu Swalihoon.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #284 , Permude2010-05-13
Continued......
Then you asked me an irrelevant and illogical question as to who between Nabi (S.A) and Umar Farooq (R.A) is great. I should not even bother to answer this, because, in the first place, the question you quoted from my reply was a sub question of its preceding one. Even then, my below reply has the answer for it in itself, because I wrote (except for Nabi (S.A) and Abubakcer Siddiqui (R.A)……….. and every one who knows English knows the meaning of EXCEPT FOR (horathupadisi). I am also well aware of all of the Hadith and ayaths from Qur’an you are going to misquote. It doesn’t work. Because, who else is a Muwahhid if not Umar Farooq (R.A), who had not voiced against the Shahaba who went to complain against the draught to the Rawla Sharief of Nabi (S.A). Was not Umar Farooq (R.A) aware of the Hadith “do not make my Rawla sharief a place of worship……….”. Because, the act of Thawassul or Isthighasa are not act of worship, as you people falsely and shamelessly misinterpret. If act of Thawassul and Isthighasa fall under the category of worship as you people claim, why did Imam Navavi (R.A), who is also called 2nd Shafiee (R.A) reserved in his Kithabul Adhkar a lot of space to mention about the etiquette to be followed at the Rawla Sharief of Nabi (S.A), wherein there is fool proof evidence for Thawassul and Isthighasa.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #283 , Permude2010-05-13
Continued.....

Then, why didn’t you people reply to me about the Hadith from Shaheeh Muslim I quoted regarding a Shahabi asking for a place in Jannah with Nabi (.SA). Did Nabi (S.A) declare that man to have committed SHIRK and ask to renew his Shahada?

That is the reason, we Sunnis, insist that the knowledge about the Deen should be acquired from the right source through right Ulemas. If this is not the case, you study Qur’an and Hadith by yourselves through whatever translations available and judge the things according to the interpretations you deem fit and end up reading Qur’an Ayaths revealed about Makkah Mushrik to declare Mulsims to be Kafir or even inferior to them. This is what Khawarijis had also done. You people pick at the mention of any of Sunni Ulemas, you call them Stupid, Khurafi and everything. You people have unimaginable disgust about Sunni Ulemas. That is the reason your hearts are sealed from understanding the truth about Islam and Muslims.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #282 , Permude2010-05-13
continued........

When you people accuse SHIRK on your Muslim brothers, have you ever thought of the gravity of your accusation?

I would like to write the below points in relation to the same:

In the Surah 27:19 – Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) glorifies Allah for the favours He has bestowed on him and implores Allah to admit him among his righteous slaves.

In the same Surah 27:38 – Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) asks who can bring the great throne of a queen, which is miles away

And the 27:40 of this Surah narrates about a pious person who had knowledge in the books of Allah bringing the throne, which was miles away, within the twinkle of an eye. Upon seeing the Great throne in front of him, Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) glorified Allah telling that “This is of the bounty of my Lord, that He may try me whether I give thanks or am I ungrateful”. Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) was a muwahhid and did know that it was not that Waliyy’s capability, but Allah’s. And that waliyy was just a means and he said “this is the bounty of my lord”.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #281 , Permude2010-05-13
continued....

Ayath 27:43 of the same Surah talks about the queen and her subjects worshipping of something other than Allah.

Does anybody see any contradictions in the above in respect of the belief Muslims hold? Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) glorifies Allah and begs Allah to include him among the righteous. And he also asks one of his subjects for a supernatural help in bringing a great throne, which is miles away. Sunnis do not question why didn’t Sulaiman (A.S) ask Allah himself to bring the throne, when he knew that the throne was lying miles away.

Our Nabi (S.A) is the greatest of all of Allah’s creation and so are the merits of his ummathi compared to the Ummathi of other prophets.

What else is more amazing than bring a throne of great dimensions, which is miles away, at the blink of an eye, as mentioned is the above Surah. If a similar incident is mentioned of an Auliya or swalihoon from among Nabi (S.A)’s ummathi, my salafi brothers will mock us.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #280 , Permude2010-05-13
continued.........
Why am I telling this is, we pray at a mosque and go to the house of a swalihoon nearby to have him make du’a for our plight or to tell him of our burdens or tell him of childlessness. Don’t my salafi brothers ascribe SHIRK on those who visits swalihoon with their plight on the pretext of asking someone other than Allah and consider that Swalihoon to be Thagooth. Don’t they call Kura Thangal Thagooth. Why this Hypocrisy!! What belief you have in Qur’an itself, let alone Sunna.

If Prophet Sulaiman (A.S) can ask some swalihoon from among his subjects to bring the throne lying miles away, in the same context, why not I approach any swalihoon from among Nabi (S.A)’s ummathi for such helps or with my plight of life, whether it is a normal or paranormal.

It is a fact that you call and write about the swalihoon that Sunnis visit as Thagooth. If you salafis are of the opinion that you object only visiting the graves of Swalihoon with our plight, not while they are alive, with any kind of problem, please we need to hear this from you people.

Please answer to my question about:

1) Umar Farooq (R.A)’s nod to the Isthighasa act
2) The Hadith I mentioned from Shaheeh Muslim about a Shahabi asking to give him a place in Jannah with Nabi (S.A)
3) Fool proof evidence in Imam Navavi’s Kitabul Adhkar about Thawassul and Isthighasa.

May Allah open you peoples heart to the truth about Islam.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #279 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-13
Even in the above answer you made it is clear Rasool SA did not ask Musa (AS) to help him (SA). in fact Musa suggested. if i am not wrong.

and Istighasa as per you you keep some one in the middle between you and Allah, Am i right.

But did you come across this aayah of quran which says, you pray to me i will answer you. and also it says in other place that " o prophet(SA) if they ask you about ME (Allah) say I am near to them, and I am near to then more then their veins.

Did you come Across this aayah?
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #278 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-13
Even in the above answer you made it is clear Rasool SA did not ask Musa (AS) to help him (SA). in fact Musa suggested. if i am not wrong.

and Istighasa as per you you keep some one in the middle between you and Allah, Am i right.

But did you come across this aayah of quran which says, you pray to me i will answer you. and also it says in other place that " o prophet(SA) if they ask you about ME (Allah) say I am near to them, and I am near to then more then their veins.

Did you come Across this aayah?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #277 , Jeddah2010-05-13
You are going out of the track, better not to argue with you. By knowing how you became salafi, nothing going to change here.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #276 , RE: Jeddah2010-05-13
So now you understand that my question pointed you and which you dont want answer because i dint answer a question posed to some one else. and i questioned you but you dont want to answer. no issues. but if you wanna learn please get me this answer.

If you wanna know how did i become a salafi, or wahabi.. please find the answer for my questions..
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #275 , Jeddah2010-05-13
You too did not answer my questions.

Please Mr. Suhail & Ismail have raised some questions, where is the accurate answer for it?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #274 , Dubai Mangalore.2010-05-13
Dear Mumin Brothers,

If you are a da'eeya, please contact me if you need a tool of Dawah to Christians. i can provide the website of Bible in Hebrew language and the translation in right way

may mail id is mashrafk(at)hotmail
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #273 , RE: Jeddah2010-05-13
Dear Brother Basheer,

You did not answer my all questions.

And also please do give the reference for all what you quote from Quran or the Ahadeeth.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #272 , Jeddah2010-05-12
It was Moosa (AS) asked Rasool (SA) to ask Allah to reduce the number of prayers in a day. What do you want to say here? I too want to learn as I am not a scholar.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #271 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-12
Mr.Permude, you are playing a drama
here, If you are really dont bother
about Perode,Hussain Salafi or Alawi
Saqafi, then be neutral.
It seems like you are siding with one group, if you are a true seeker of your deen then dont listen or follow Perode or Hussian Salafi, instead every Muslims has a access to Quraan(Translated) & Saheeh Hadeeths (saheeh Bukhari & Saheeh Muslim).
So go through that & it's good enough to judge yourself or anybody else,whether you are following right path or wrong path.
Since at one point you are speaking like one groups representative & in the other you are claim to be a truth seeker. So,It's an contradictory statement from you. So make sure yourself that you are not siding with anyone but will side one who speaks about truth after studying all the relevent Islamic sources.
So fear ALLAH in every action you do.
Since you dont compromise in your Aakhira(Hearafter)(According to your previous comment)then no need to worry to anyone when it comes to issue like your hearafter.
What we (myself,Abu Humaira, Abu Maryam or Abdul kareem) have done here is try to steady the sinking ship of perode & co.And also you'd asked a question to us that whether Umar(RA) great or Ibn Thimiyya (RA)?.
Since you've asked this question,Let me ask you a question, our beloved Prophet (SWS) great or Umar (RA) great? Expecting your answer at the earliest.
Dont take my comments as personal please.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #270 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-12
How was the help. it was Moosa (AS) asked Allah or Moosa (AS) Asked Rasool (SA) to ask Allah.???

What is the word isthigaasa means.

Give me a example of isthigaasa...

Please QUOTE the full Ahadeeth of the above said incident.

Sorry brother if i am bothering you. it is just to learn properly.

Jazakallahu Khairan.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #269 , Jeddah2010-05-12
Dear Ashraf

My question is

Is it shirk if we make isthigaasa with those you specified?

Why did Moosa (AS) help our prophet during the mihraj to decrease the number of prayers which was once ordained 50 times in a day ?

Why did Allah not warn Moosa (AS) against helping our Prophet & his umma when Allah is sufficent for everything?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #268 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-12
And also we cant ignore the above comment. because, Mr. AP is also have commented about the same. and he dint want to give a comment on the topic. he will never claim about it is haraam.57488
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #267 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-12
My question is

with whom and all we can ask Help. or make isthigaasa. Namely “Ibrahim (AS), Musa (AS), Ali (RA), Omer (RA) Abubaker (RA) Usman(RA), Ayesha (RA) etc.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #266 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-12
Dear Basheer, Sory for posting this about dowry. this was supposed to post in other page. my mistake i have done it. later i realized and posted there. even though you can see the game of these musliyaars.

but still my question is un-answered.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #265 , Permude2010-05-12
Dear Abu Humaira/Believer/Ashraf Abdul Kareem/Basheer Jeddah and whatever comes next,

Call yourselves by any names, it doesn't matter. What AP Ustad, Perode, Alawi,Hussain Salafi and others do are not proofs in Islam. Do not stoop down to such a low level libeling the scholars. Posting any youtube clippings in this forum is unwarranted. When proof is presented, do not back out. I do not need any clippings and it is against the ethics I follow in life to ridicule and belittle others. What is needed here is proof.

Again let me repeat and emphasize, do not quote any Ayaths, which are irrelevant to the subject we are talking about. Reply to me about the incident involving Umar Farooq (R.A), his nod to this Isthighasa act. and the Hadith from Shaheeh Muslim I quoted in my below comments.

Do not try to deviate from the subject posting irrelevant comments from different angle with different ideas.

Except for Nabi (S.A) and Abubacker Siddiqui (R.A), no one is an authority in Islam Deen than Umar Farooq (R.A), who has given consent to the act of Ishthighasa during his time. If he has not objected, who you people are to have a say in Deenul Islam.

Reply to my comments.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #264 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-12
Dear Hasainar Bhai,

May Allah Guide us. If you or any of those who claim Omer (RA) was agreeing to ask Rasool (SA) cant explain the basic things, how do I expect truth from you people.

As per you and your koota, Salafi Brothers are not in track. I am one of those. Please explain the above basic things. and if you don't know then it will be a different story. Don't change the topic. it is advance or any thing extreme, it cannot start without basic things.

Building should be build with a strong Basic foundation. if the pillar is with out foundation then that is not strong at all.

So you let us know the truth. let us know about the basic.

Dear Brothers,

Please stick to one topic, because as i have experience, even when i was a Kattar sunni, i was the same. i was deviating people from topic to topic. which the debate will not end.

So lets stick there with the basic so that at least people will understand the concept as we have understood. as we have come out from this darkness of Jews. Darkness of Shiyas.

Christians call Isa(AS) for Help, and they agree god is one. Shiyas say "YA ALI MADAD" even after saying "LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAH, MUHAMMED-AR-RASOOLALLAH"

so if these sunnies call Muhiyaddin shaik for help, those shiyas are better then these sunnies. you ask why.

Can these sunnies guarantee that Shaikh Muhiyaddin will go to Jannah? No....

But we are sure that Ali (RA) is been promised Jannah. May Allah make us one among them.

Dear Hassainar,

Do explain Basic things first. we salafies don't know about these basics from you. how do you believe. if we come to know then we can debate in a good manner.

We say Laa ilaah Illallaah, Muhammed-ar-Rasolallah" and you too. but can you define Laa'Ilaaha-Illa-Allah"then we will debate. or else its of no use, because this will end up with no result.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #263 , Jeddah2010-05-12
Dear Brother,

Discussion is not about Youtube link and it is not the solution to find the truth. Dear, why don't you try to bring proof for defending the justifcation given by both Suhail & Ismail.

why are you diverting the topic to Dowry? If you cant justify, leave it, Abu Humaira can do a lot better than you.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #262 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-05-11
Are you people waiting for these musliyaars to work against the dowry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcn1O48IeE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnkQXVxztEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bAYPBpsBPo&feature=related

See the aayah 4 of Surah Nisa...

وَآتُواْ النَّسَاء صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً فَإِن طِبْنَ لَكُمْ عَن شَيْءٍ مِّنْهُ نَفْسًا فَكُلُوهُ هَنِيئًا مَّرِيئًا (4:4)

Where is this musliyaar taking us.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #261 , Ashraf Abdulkareem2010-05-11
Dear Bro. Basheer,

If you take one step Allah will take ten steps towards you. We dont have any doubt in it. Right?

So let us think. If As i have questioned earlier, will you agree to call Rasool (SA) to help you in your affairs or Allah. will you agree to call Isa (AS) for help or Ali (RA) to help you in your affairs.

When Allah says, let them make dua to me i will answer them, whom will you call Allah or any body else. any Nabi or any righteous people. who? who?

This is more then enough. the normal aayath which Perode is giving for the proof of calling the righteous and pious people is the aayah of surah maaidah CH 5 V 55. you see the meaning of that. but start from V 51 and read till 57. you will know.

I personally questioned Alavi Sagafi, when he was in a stage with some other Aalims.

My question was as below.

Q. Mahiyaddin shaike rakshikkane, Allahuve Rashikkane... idil edaan Allaak istam.

Alavi Sagafi's Ans: Randum Istamaan.

Q. quraan kondo, hadees kondo theliyikkaamo?

Ans. pinne yendaa Quraan kondui theliyikkaa.

and he referred to the above said Aayah 55 of CH 5.

I request you one and all to see this verse of Quran Ch: 5 V 51 to 55.

if you understand the fully what Allah is giving the message and where these sagaafi's are taking this ignorant Ummah.

See this videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV1WdSHI6Wo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQjvHRLWY34&feature=player_embedded

But these two sagafies are the guru sishyaas.

you can see these both in one stage.

Believe me brothers. I was with you 5 years back. the problems and troubles those muisliyaars gave me for my questions i changed myself to learn.

It will help. Allah will not let those astray the one who will search the truth.

Allah Knows best.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #260 , Jeddah2010-05-11
Dear Gentlemen in this column,

I feel that argument is getting its real shape now when Messers. Suhail & Ismail came up with good justification to uphold their stand about Isthigasa & Tawassul.

Really something to ponder. It is totally mess why Ibn thimiyya was against Isthigasa & Tawassul in spite of knowing the fact …….

I remember the Sayings of our Prophet, my umma will split into 73 groups at the end and only one group that follow the path of me and my Shahabas will enter Jannah.

Everybody claim we are, we are but who is really is a matter in question?
But it is obligatory duty of everyone to find a permanent solution for matters in question as it is most and most important factor of one’s hereafter life.

Scholars should be transparent in this regard to impart the true teachings of Islam deen to ignorant people to make them aware of the facts in Islam deen.
I always wonder why some scholars are still timid to argue these subjects openly in public with opposite groups even when they are invited for it.

We have not learnt much in Madarasa and we restrict ourselves to study in madarasa up to class 5 or 7.
So, we believe whatever scholars preach us. Abu Humaira & his groups consider their scholars are right and Sameeullah & his groups also do the same.

So, the scholars like Husain Salafi, Perode and any other scholars should avoid arguing the matters in questions on different stage to justify it. Instead, these scholars should share a same stage in front of ignorant people like us to prove it based on Quran, Hadees and related books of imams to clear the matters in questions at least thrice in a month if possible. Because this is a matter of high concern in our Akira.

Real Scholars should consider it high necessity and take immediate actions towards this if they really need to lead the ignorant people to right path & save from hellfire.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #259 , Mangalore2010-05-11
Dear Abdul Kareem,

The debate seems to be in the advanced stage. If you want to learn about these basic things, just join some Madrasa.

Umar Farooq (R.A) was well aware of the Tawheed and the above Ayath. Now let your Salafi brothres reply to the comments Ismail Permude and Suhail Hisham. Don't try to be smart.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #258 , Dubai, Mangalore2010-05-11
Dear Brother Naser,

These will not follow only Quran and Sunnah. Of course Not.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #257 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-05-11
Dear Brothers,

What is all about here… Be cool brothers…

Those who claim they can ask Rasool (SA) for any help… let them give the meaning of these things below. So the others will understand the truth.

1. What is the meaning of Tauheed.
If I am not wrong, there is 3 types of tauheed.
i. Tauheed-e-Ruboobiyah
ii. Tauheed-e-uloohiyah
iii. Tauheed-e-Asmaaussifaat

2. what is the meaning of Islam
3. What is the meaning of Muslim
4. What is the meaning of Eemaan

Let them explain all the above, if they say we can ask help with Rasool SA.

And Let them when and where we can ask those kinds of help with Rasool SA.

And let them tell with whom and all we can ask Help. Namely “Ibrahim (AS), Musa (AS), Ali (RA), Omer (RA) Abubaker (RA) Usman(RA), Ayesha (RA) etc.

Can we ask help with these people mentioned above.

And please let them translate this verse given below.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
فَتَرَى الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ يُسَارِعُونَ فِيهِمْ يَقُولُونَ نَخْشَىٰ أَن تُصِيبَنَا دَائِرَةٌ ۚ فَعَسَى اللَّهُ أَن يَأْتِيَ بِالْفَتْحِ أَوْ أَمْرٍ مِّنْ عِندِهِ فَيُصْبِحُوا عَلَىٰ مَا أَسَرُّوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ نَادِمِينَ
وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَهَـٰؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ أَقْسَمُوا بِاللَّهِ جَهْدَ أَيْمَانِهِمْ ۙ إِنَّهُمْ لَمَعَكُمْ ۚ حَبِطَتْ أَعْمَالُهُمْ فَأَصْبَحُوا خَاسِرِينَ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَن يَرْتَدَّ مِنكُمْ عَن دِينِهِ فَسَوْفَ يَأْتِي اللَّهُ بِقَوْمٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ وَيُحِبُّونَهُ أَذِلَّةٍ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَعِزَّةٍ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ يُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَلَا يَخَافُونَ لَوْمَةَ لَائِمٍ ۚذَ‌ٰلِكَ فَضْلُ اللَّهِ يُؤْتِيهِ مَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ
إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ
وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا فَإِنَّ حِزْبَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْغَالِبُونَ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا دِينَكُمْ هُزُوًا وَلَعِبًا مِّنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَالْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #256 , Saudi Arabia2010-05-11
ನಮ್ಮ ಸಲ್ಪೀ ಸಹೋದರರಿಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಕೂಡಾ ಗ್ರಹಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗದಷ್ಟು ಮೂಢರಾಗಿರುವುದು ದುರಂತಕರವೆನ್ನದೇ ನಿರ್ವಾಹವಿಲ್ಲ, ನಾನು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಗ್ರಂಥದ ತರ್ಜುಮೆ ಕೊಟ್ಟು ನಂತರ ನಾನು ಬರೆದ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯವನ್ನು ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ಓದಿ ಗ್ರಹಿಸಿರಿ“´ಮೊತ್ತ ಮೊದಲು ಅಪಸ್ವರವೆತ್ತಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಕೂಡಾ ತನ್ನ ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಮತ್ತು ಇತರ ಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಸಹಾಯ ದೊರೆತ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ ಮತ್ತು ಇಂತಹ ದಾರಾಳ ಸಂಭವಗಳು ದಾರಾಳ ಇವೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿದ್ದು ತನ್ನ ಆಶಯದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ವಿರೋಧಭಾಸವನ್ನು ಎತ್ತಿತೋರಿಸುತ್ತಿ ದೆ” ಇಸ್ಲಾಮೀ ಇತಿಹಾಸದಲ್ಲಿ ಈ ಮೊಂಡು ವಾದ ಎತ್ತಿದ ಕೀರ್ತಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯಾ ಗೆ ಸಲ್ಲುತ್ತದೆ , ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಮುಂಚೆ ಜೀವಿಸಿದ ಪೂರ್ವಿಕ ಸಲಫುಸ್ಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳಿಗೋ ಪೂರ್ವಿಕ ಇಮಾಮರುಗಳಿಗೋ ಇಂಥ ಅಪಸ್ವರವೇ ಇದ್ದಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ, ಎಂಬುದು ಪೂರ್ವಿಕ ಇಮಾಮರುಗಳು ದಾಖಲಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ಧರ್ಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ರ ಅಪಸ್ವರ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮ್ ವಿಚಾರಧಾರೆಯ ವಿರುದ್ದ ವಿರುವ ಒಂಟಿದ್ವನಿ . ಇದೇ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ( . فهذا كله حق) ಅರ್ಥಾತ್ : ಇವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿವೆ ಎಂದು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಕಬ್ರ್ ಮತ್ತು ಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಖಬ್ರ್ ಗಳ ಬಳಿ ಸಹಾಯ ಕೇಳಿದ್ದು ಮತ್ತು ಅದು ನೆರವೇರಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟ ಅನೇಕ ಸತ್ಯ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಇದೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿ ,ಇಸ್ಲಾಮಿನ ಸ್ವಲಫುಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳು ಮಾಡುತಿದ್ದ ಈ ಆಚಾರವನ್ನು ಆರುನೂರು ವರ್ಷ ಕಳೆದು ಬಂದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಇದು ನಾವು ಯಾವ ಮಾರ್ಗದಲ್ಲಿರುವೆವ ೋ ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಇವು ಸೇರಿದ್ದಲ್ಲ." ಹೇಳುವುದು ಬಹುದೊಡ್ಡ ಬಾಲಿಶವಾದ ಎಂಬುದು ಮೂಢರಲ್ಲದ ಇಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಸುವ್ಯಕ್ತ ,ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾರವರ ಪೌರೋಹಿತ್ಯವನ್ನು ಅಂಗೀಕರಿಸುವವರಿಗೆ ಈ ಒಂಟಿ ದ್ವನಿಯನ್ನು ಅಂಗೀಕರಿಸಬಹುದು, ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಆದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದ್ದು ಸಯೀದ್ ಬ್ ನ್ ಮುಸಯ್ಯಿಬ್ ಎಂಬ ಮಹಾ ವಿದ್ವಾಂಸ , ಪ್ರಶಿದ್ದ ತಾಬಿಹ್ , ಸ್ವಹಾಬಿಗಳಿಂದ ಮತ್ತು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಪತ್ನಿಯರಿಂದ ನೇರವಾಗಿ ಹದೀಸ್ ಕೇಳಿ ಅದನ್ನು ವರದಿ ಮಾಡಿದವರು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನ ತಫ್ಸೀರ್, ಹದೀಸ್ ಮತ್ತು ಕರ್ಮ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರ ವಿಜ್ಞಾನದಲ್ಲಿ ಮಹಾ ವಿದ್ವಾಂಸರು, ಸ್ವಹಾಬಿಗಳ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆದ ಈ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದ್ದೂ , ಅವರು ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದರೂ , ತೌಹೀದ್ – ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ನ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ತಿಳಿದ ಮತ್ತು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಅರಿವು ಇರುವ ಸ್ವಹಾಬಿಗಳೋ ತಾಬಿಹ್ ಗಳೋ ಅದನ್ನು ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿಲ್ಲವಲ್ವಾ ? ವಾಸ್ತವಿಕತೆ ಹೀಗಿದ್ದರೂ ಅದು ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದ್ದರೂ , ಅದು ತನಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತು ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದರೂ ಅದನ್ನು ಅಂಗೀಕರಿಸಲು ಸಲಪಿಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಮಾರ್ಗದಲ್ಲಿರದ ಮೊತ್ತಮೊದಲ ಬಾರಿಗೆ ತನ್ನ ಒಂಟಿಸ್ವರ ಎತ್ತಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ತಾನಿರುವ ಮಾರ್ಗಕ್ಕೆ ಸೇರಿದ್ದಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು ಅಕ್ಷರಸ ಸತ್ಯವಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ನನ್ನ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಗಿ ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಿಸಿದ್ದು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸತ್ಯ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿದ ಭಾಗವಾಗಿದೆ” ಈ ಘಟನೆಗಳನ್ನು ವಿವರಿಸಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಇವು ದುರ್ಬಲ ವರದಿ ಎಂದು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದರ ಅರಬಿ ಭಾಗ ಕೂಡಾ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಸಹೋದರೇ ಕೊಡುವಿರಾ ? ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಅವು ದುರ್ಬಲ ವರದಿ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳುವುದು ಹೇಗಯ್ಯಾ ? ಅವರೇ ಇದು ಸತ್ಯವೆಂದು ಬರೆದಿಟ್ಟಿದ್ದಾರಲ್ವಾ ? ಇದುವೇ ಪೌರೋಹಿತ್ಯ ,ಮೂಢರ ಸಂಗಮದ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ನ ದ್ವಂಧ್ವದ ಗೂಡಲ್ಲವೇ?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #255 , Permude2010-05-11
All Brothers, Assalamu Alaikum

All in this forum have just started to discuss something serious and related to the subject of debate. Do not conclude it at this stage. A few replies were to the point, though most were completely out of context. I have observed the following compiling the translations of both Abu Humaira and Suhail Hisham of Ibn Thaimiyya's referred book and I fully rely on the translation of Abu Humaira, since SHIRK is accused on Suhail Hisham:

1) Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyaa accepts as truth the incidents of hearing Azan from the graves of Nabi (S,A) and others Swalihoon, though he doesn't accept this to be the way being followed by them.

2) Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyaa while reporting the incident of a person going and complaining at the Rawla Shareif of Nabi (S.A) about the draught and in turn the person dreams of Nabi (S.A) and Nabi (S.A) instructs him to tell Umar (R.A) to pray Ishthisqa, says that this doesn’t belong to this subject. But this is a clear incident of Ishthighasa as I understand. Because the person had gone to Rawla Sharief and complained with Nabi (S.A) after the passing away of Nabi (S.A) and he was instructed to report this to Umar (R.A), who is a very prominent Shahabi and among Khulafa’u’rashdieen and was given the good news of Jannath by Nabi (S.A). The further report of this incident confirms the nod of Umar (R.A) to this incident and he prayed Isthisqa gathering his people. Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya also says such incidents happens with people other than Nabi (S.A) also and he knows of many such incidents. Also when people approach Nabi (S.A) and others for the accomplishment of their need, their need is granted and many such incident happens, but he highlights that this doesn’t belong to the way they are in. My question is:

a) If Ishthighasa with Ambiya, Auliya is not permissible, why did not Umar Farooq (R.A) who is only second to Abubaker Siddiqui (R.A) in merits did not oppose the action of the person who went to the Rawla Sharief to complain about the draught? Why did he pray Ishtishqa based on this person’s instructions in dream

b)Why Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya confirms the reports of fulfillment of needs of people to be true when they approached Nabi (S.A) and other Swalihoon

c) Why he says this is not the true path, while Umar Farooq (R.A) didn’t declare the guy who reported this to have committed SHIRK.

d) Is Ibn Thaimiyya more knowledgeable than Umar Farooq (R.A) in matters of Deen?

e) Abu Humaira said, Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya had written further in this book as to why these reports should not be believed and why were not these their ways. Is he confronting Umar Farooq (R.A). Had not Umar Farooq (R.A) understood the meanings of Ayaths quoted by Abu Humaira, which are obviously revealed condemning the polytheistic beliefs of pagan Makkites.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #254 , Permude2010-05-11
continued.........

As per the request of Abu Humaira, I made a thorough search in the internet and found a lot of reference to Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya in discussion forums and others. I found references to the books of other contemporary scholars of Shaikh Ibn THaimiyya, who have written against his ideologies. Regardless of his being right or wrong, definitely he stands out from other contemporary scholars of his time in line of thinking and ideology.

Whom should we believe? Majority of other scholars and him alone!!

My further search in the internet reveals that, many other imams we normally here in Kuthba and other religious sermons have written clearly about the permissibility of Thawassul and Isthighasa.

For me the truth is crystal clear, because I am not adamant in Deeni matters. I am ready to compromise in worldly matters, but not in the matters of hereafter.

I request Mr. Suhaim Hisham to provide further references from the books of Imams about Thawassul and Isthighasa with Arabi Text and translation to improve my knowledge base.

I also came across a Hadith in Shaheeh Muslim about a Shahabi requesting Nabi (S.A) to grant him a position with him in Jannah. In any context, as per the argument of brothers Abu Humaira, Believer, this falls in the category of SHIRK. Because the Shahabi is not asking here to make Du’a for him, rather he is asking Nabi (S.A) to grant his wish to be him in Jannah. Of course, Nabi (S.A) asked him to increase his Sujood, which by any means a pre-requirement to get to Jannah. But the point to ponder is “did Nabi (S.A) tell the Shahabi that he committed SHIRK by asking him to grant him a seat with him in Jannah. The reply is NO, NO, NO.

It is now left to the readers to choose the right and wrong. I definitely prefer the way of Umar Farooq (R.A) rather than Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyaa in the light of the Hadith Shareif that “my Ash-hab are like Stars, whoever one follows will be guided to the right path (I have just written the theme of that Hadith I heard, my wordings may be wrong).

May Allah guide all of us in the right path.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #253 , RE: Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-10
O' Believer,

By the way, when did you reach Kuwait?

You are very lucky to get a person like Abu Humaira nearby. You have done good job.

How long will it take you team to teach us Tawassul & Istigasa + English? Is it orginal or fake? Anyway sorry for guessing. Nowadays, every original has a fake.

As you are a Be Lie ver, you must have all original???
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #252 , RE: RE: RE: Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-10
Dear Gentleman Abu Maryam,

Why should I divert the whole matter, when I am appreciating the knowledge you possess in Deenul Islam.

The arguments in Nadpaura would have become fruitful if abu humaira or you had taken the responsibility of giving befitting reply to Perode Usthad instead of Husain Salfi. People in & around of nadapura would have accepted your path of tawheed easily without listenting to perode usthad’s speech as you are shining all over with your brilliant knowledge in all the matters of Deenul Islam.

I think Google master is helping you a lot now. Good Luck.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #251 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-10
O'Samiulla,I dont understand your statement that, 'Believer, don’t waste your time, please go to Kuwait to get super knowledge from Abu Humaira. But you are a bit lucky that abu maryam is here.your guessings are wrong and better know that i'm in Kuwait only not somewhere else (If you know english properly, then read my name & place properly instead of guessing as your wish)Anyway all of your deeds are taking place according to guessing right?NO WONDER,REALLY!!
When we rebutt your fake claims, you came up with so many excuses,So i hope you come over to Kuwait to get well knowledge about Tawassul & Istigasa & we will teach you whats Isthigasa & what's Tawassul from the Quraan & Saheeh Hadeeth, not from guessing or weak evidences like you do always.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #250 , RE: RE: Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-10
Dear Brother Sameeullah GM..

I am wonder, instead of Giving right Answer, you are diverting the whole matter.

Why you are bringing Husain Salafi here..

he is doing his job in Nadapura, & People of nadapaura & Sorrounding Kerala knew the truth...

So, please dont be smart my friend..

give a answer for your Tawassul & isthghasa from the Authentic Source.

Not from Bla Bla....

Is this the Method taught by your Ustad??????

Jazakallah
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #249 , RE: Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-10
O' Believer,

I am really scared of you. There is no option but to hide now because of the justification on Tawassul & Isthigasa given by Abu Humaira & Abu Maryam.

I wonder why Husain Salafi did not consult these two heroes to have good justifications whenever he came to deliver speech in nadapura against perode Usthad's speech.

My request to the people who are visiting this comment column, please convey this great news to Husain Salafi so that he can also succeed this time in Nadapura as he could not give reply to Perode Usthad in Nadapura for the same subject in Eqthilahul Shirathul Musthaqeem.

Believer, don’t waste your time, please go to Kuwait to get super knowledge from Abu Humaira. But you are a bit lucky that abu maryam is here.

I do hope, you enjoyed my appreciation for you & your team???

Don't feel bad, you deserve it as you are a true "Be-LiAr".
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #248 , RE: RE: RE: Permude2010-05-09
Assalam Alaikum...

Doubtfull ..

Look at your Two comments....

Ismail Permude, Permude — 2010-05-08
Dear Brothers,

stick to the point, please do not indulge in personal blame game.

Mr. Suhail has given the exact traslation of Arabic text, wherein it is crystal clear that Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya has written about Thawassul and Isthighasa. Could you please clarify about this?


Ismail Permude, RE: RE: Permude — 2010-05-09
Dear Brother Abu Maryam,

I am a curious learner. I just happened to come across this debate and my curiosity to learn makes me ask questions.

I did ask, what is the basics of Thawassul and Isthighasa. No one bothered to answer. Could you please explain to me what exactly Thawassul and Istighasa means to Salafis?


How can i beleiv You??????

Really Strange...

Jazakallah
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #247 , RE: RE: RE: Permude2010-05-09
Assalam Alaikum....

Again with a Strange look, am i discussing matter with a

"I am a curious learner. I just happened to come across this debate and my curiosity to learn makes me ask questions."

No Salam's

& Agian you Voiced
Thawassul and Istighasa means to Salafis?


Dear Brother..

Salaf's are not a Firka??? or Group...

Salafis are the revievers of this Relegion & we are the Fallower of Salafussaliheen i mean Scholars & Pious People of Early generation...

Well..

in last response. I put the Basic meaning of Tawassul & Isthigasa..

if you really wanted to learn then i will explain,

you have 100% right to question me if i quote against to Holy Qur'an & Sunnah of Our beloved Prophet (Sallallahu Alahi Wa Sallam)

Jazakallah
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #246 , RE: RE: Permude2010-05-09
Dear Brother Abu Maryam,

I am a curious learner. I just happened to come across this debate and my curiosity to learn makes me ask questions.

I did ask, what is the basics of Thawassul and Isthighasa. No one bothered to answer. Could you please explain to me what exactly Thawassul and Istighasa means to Salafis?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #245 , RE: Permude2010-05-09
Assalam Alaikum...

Dear brother You Are 100% Wrong..

mr. Suhail did not gave correct Translation.. he used his tricks as Soofi/Sunni musliyars doing in their Debate.

Can you explain me about Tawssul & isthighasa??????

in Short Brief.....
we have correct translation in Kannada, well suhail did his job. & we will do our job now..

Truth will be near...

will see next comment..

if you are truthfull, then you should reply to our comment...
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #244 , Jaipur2010-05-08
Assalamu Alaikum...

Really an exclusive interview with AP Usthad. This is an excellent article which is helpful to all kinds of people to know more about Markaz and Islamic cultural and educational emergence led by AP Usthad. He is the one and only leader whom we Indians follow confidently... there is no doubt at all...

Your brother

Ameen
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #243 , Permude2010-05-08
Dear Brothers,

stick to the point, please do not indulge in personal blame game.

Mr. Suhail has given the exact traslation of Arabic text, wherein it is crystal clear that Shaikh Ibn Thaimiyya has written about Thawassul and Isthighasa. Could you please clarify about this?
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #242 , saudi Arabia2010-05-07
ಸಮೀಹುಲ್ಲಾ ರವರು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಗ್ರಂಥದ ಅರಬಿಕ್ ಉದ್ಧರನೆಯನ್ನು ಕೊಟ್ಟದ್ದರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಏನೂ ಅರ್ಥೈಸಲು ತಿಳಿಯದ ಅಬೂ ಮರ್ ಯಮ್ ಎಂಬ ಮಹಾಶಯನೊರ್ವರು ಅದರ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಶ್ ತರ್ಜುಮೆ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಟ್ಟರೆ ಮತ್ತೆ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಏನು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಾನಂತೆ !! ಈ ಬಡಪಾಯಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಬರೆದ ಒರಿಜಿನಲ್ ಕಿತಾಬ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ರುವುದನ್ನು ತಿಳಿಯದೇ ತನ್ನ ಪೆದ್ದುತನ ತೋರಿಸಿರುವುದು ಹಾಸ್ಯಾಸ್ಪದ. ಇಂಥ ಮಹಾ ಜಹಾಲತ್ ತೋರಿಸಿದ ಈ ಬಡಪಾಯಿ ಡಿಬೇಟ್ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಾನಂತೆ !! ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಬರೆದದ್ದರ ತರ್ಜುಮೆ ಹೀಗಿದೆ. “ಒಂದು ವಿಭಾಗವು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಕಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಮತ್ತು ಇನ್ನಿತರ ಸಜ್ಜನರ ಕಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಸಲಾಮ್ ಗೆ ಉತ್ತರಿಸಿದ್ದನ್ನು ಕೇಳಿದ್ದರು ಎಂಬ ವರದಿ , ಸಯೀದ್ ಬ್ ನ್ ಮುಸಯ್ಯಿಬ್ (ರ) ರವರು ಫ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಯುದ್ಧದ ರಾತ್ರಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದ್ದರು , ಇದೇ ರೀತಿಯಿರುವ ಹಲವು ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಇವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ, …..
ಓರ್ವ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿ ಬಂದು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ಕ್ಷಾಮದ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ)ರವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮ ಅಹವಾಲನ್ನು ನಿವೇದಿಸಿದರು ಆಗ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಸ್ವಪ್ನ ದರ್ಶನವಾಯಿತು , ಉಮರ್ (ರ) ರವರು ಜನರನ್ನು ಕರೆದು ಕೊಂಡು ಹೋಗಿ ಮಳೆಗಾಗಿ ಪಾರ್ಥಿಸಲಿ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಲು ಸ್ವಪ್ನ ಮೂಲಕ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರು ಹೇಳಿದರು … .. ಈ ರೀತಿಯಿರುವ ಅನೇಕ ಸಂಭವಗಳು ಇತರ ಮಹಾತ್ಮರರಿಂದಲೂ ಸಂಭವಿಸಿವೆ ,ಇವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ನನಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತಿದೆ ಇದೇ ರೀತಿ ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಮತ್ತು ನಬಿ (ಸ)ರವರ ಉಮ್ಮತಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೆಲವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆಯನ್ನು ಕೇಳಿದಾಗ ಅವು ನೆರವೇರಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟದ ್ದು, ಇಂತಹ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ದಾರಾಳ ಸಂಭವಿಸಿವೆ ( ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ – ಪುಟ -692)
ما يروى من أن قوما سمعوا رد السلام من قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو قبور غيره من الصالحين. وأن سعيد بن المسيب كان يسمع الأذان من القبر ليالي الحرة. ونحو ذلك. فهذا كله حق ليس مما نحن فيه، والأمر أجل من ذلك وأعظم. وكذلك أيضا ما يروى: أن رجلا جاء إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فشكا إليه الجدب عام الرمادة، فرآه وهو يأمره أن يأتي عمر، فيأمره أن يخرج يستسقي بالناس فإن هذا ليس من هذا الباب. ومثل هذا يقع كثيرا لمن هو دون النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وأعرف من هذا وقائع. وكذلك سؤال بعضهم للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو لغيره من أمته حاجة فتقضى له، فإن هذا قد وقع كثيرا
ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ರಿಗಾಸವನ್ನು ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಎನ್ನುವ ಹೊಸ ತೌಹೀದ್ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನ ಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ನ್ನು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಲೋಕಕ್ಕೆ ಮೊಟ್ಟಮೊದಲು ಪರಿಚಯಿಸಿದ್ದು , ಈ ವಿಶಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾಗೆ ಮೊದಲು ಲೋಕಕ್ಕೆ ಈ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ.
ಮೊತ್ತ ಮೊದಲ ಅಪಸ್ವರವೆತ್ತಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಕೂಡಾ ತನ್ನ ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಮತ್ತು ಇತರ ಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಸಹಾಯ ದೊರೆತ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ ಮತ್ತು ಇಂತಹ ದಾರಾಳ ಸಂಭವಗಳು ದಾರಾಳ ಇವೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿದ್ದು ತನ್ನ ಆಶಯದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ವಿರೋಧಭಾಸವನ್ನು ಎತ್ತಿತೋರಿಸುತ್ತಿ ದೆ.
ಪವಿತ್ರ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಬಹುದೇವಾರಾಧನೆಯನ್ ನು ಖಂಡಿಸಿ ಮತ್ತು ವಿರೋಧಿಸಿ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ದಾರಾಳ ಸೂಕ್ತಗಳಿವೆ, ಇದರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ತುಂಬಾ ವಿವರಿಸಿ ಅನೇಕ ಪುಟಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆದ ಯಾವುದೇ ಇಮಾಮ್ ಗಳು ಇದು ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿಯೇ ಇಲ್ಲ, ಹಾಗೆ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗೂ ಕಾಣಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ, ಇದರಿಂದಲೇ ಇದು ಬ್ಯೂ ಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ತೌಹೀದೀ ಜಾಹಿಲ್ ಗಳ ಸ್ಲೋಗನ್ ಎಂದು ವ್ಯಕ್ತ,
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #241 , Saudi Arabaia2010-05-07
ಸಮೀಹುಲ್ಲಾ ರವರು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಗ್ರಂಥದ ಅರಬಿಕ್ ಉದ್ಧರನೆಯನ್ನು ಕೊಟ್ಟದ್ದರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಏನೂ ಅರ್ಥೈಸಲು ತಿಳಿಯದ ಅಬೂ ಮರ್ ಯಮ್ ಎಂಬ ಮಹಾಶಯನೊರ್ವರು ಅದರ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಶ್ ತರ್ಜುಮೆ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಟ್ಟರೆ ಮತ್ತೆ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಏನು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಾನಂತೆ !! ಈ ಬಡಪಾಯಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಬರೆದ ಒರಿಜಿನಲ್ ಕಿತಾಬ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ರುವುದನ್ನು ತಿಳಿಯದೇ ತನ್ನ ಪೆದ್ದುತನ ತೋರಿಸಿರುವುದು ಹಾಸ್ಯಾಸ್ಪದ. ಇಂಥ ಮಹಾ ಜಹಾಲತ್ ತೋರಿಸಿದ ಈ ಬಡಪಾಯಿ ಡಿಬೇಟ್ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಾನಂತೆ !! ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಬರೆದದ್ದರ ತರ್ಜುಮೆ ಹೀಗಿದೆ. “ಒಂದು ವಿಭಾಗವು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಕಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಮತ್ತು ಇನ್ನಿತರ ಸಜ್ಜನರ ಕಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಸಲಾಮ್ ಗೆ ಉತ್ತರಿಸಿದ್ದನ್ನು ಕೇಳಿದ್ದರು ಎಂಬ ವರದಿ , ಸಯೀದ್ ಬ್ ನ್ ಮುಸಯ್ಯಿಬ್ (ರ) ರವರು ಫ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಯುದ್ಧದ ರಾತ್ರಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದ್ದರು , ಇದೇ ರೀತಿಯಿರುವ ಹಲವು ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಇವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ, …..
ಓರ್ವ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿ ಬಂದು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ಕ್ಷಾಮದ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ)ರವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮ ಅಹವಾಲನ್ನು ನಿವೇದಿಸಿದರು ಆಗ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಸ್ವಪ್ನ ದರ್ಶನವಾಯಿತು , ಉಮರ್ (ರ) ರವರು ಜನರನ್ನು ಕರೆದು ಕೊಂಡು ಹೋಗಿ ಮಳೆಗಾಗಿ ಪಾರ್ಥಿಸಲಿ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಲು ಸ್ವಪ್ನ ಮೂಲಕ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರು ಹೇಳಿದರು … .. ಈ ರೀತಿಯಿರುವ ಅನೇಕ ಸಂಭವಗಳು ಇತರ ಮಹಾತ್ಮರರಿಂದಲೂ ಸಂಭವಿಸಿವೆ ,ಇವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ನನಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತಿದೆ ಇದೇ ರೀತಿ ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಮತ್ತು ನಬಿ (ಸ)ರವರ ಉಮ್ಮತಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೆಲವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆಯನ್ನು ಕೇಳಿದಾಗ ಅವು ನೆರವೇರಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟದ್ದು, ಇಂತಹ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ದಾರಾಳ ಸಂಭವಿಸಿವೆ ( ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ – ಪುಟ -692)
ما يروى من أن قوما سمعوا رد السلام من قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو قبور غيره من الصالحين. وأن سعيد بن المسيب كان يسمع الأذان من القبر ليالي الحرة. ونحو ذلك. فهذا كله حق ليس مما نحن فيه، والأمر أجل من ذلك وأعظم. وكذلك أيضا ما يروى: أن رجلا جاء إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فشكا إليه الجدب عام الرمادة، فرآه وهو يأمره أن يأتي عمر، فيأمره أن يخرج يستسقي بالناس فإن هذا ليس من هذا الباب. ومثل هذا يقع كثيرا لمن هو دون النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وأعرف من هذا وقائع. وكذلك سؤال بعضهم للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو لغيره من أمته حاجة فتقضى له، فإن هذا قد وقع كثيرا
ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ರಿಗಾಸವನ್ನು ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಎನ್ನುವ ಹೊಸ ತೌಹೀದ್ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನ ಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ನ್ನು ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಲೋಕಕ್ಕೆ ಮೊಟ್ಟಮೊದಲು ಪರಿಚಯಿಸಿದ್ದು , ಈ ವಿಶಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾಗೆ ಮೊದಲು ಲೋಕಕ್ಕೆ ಈ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ.
ಮೊತ್ತ ಮೊದಲ ಅಪಸ್ವರವೆತ್ತಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಕೂಡಾ ತನ್ನ ಇಖ್ತಿಳಾಹುಲ್ ಸ್ವಿರಾತುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರ ಮತ್ತು ಇತರ ಸ್ವಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನಿಂದ ಸಹಾಯ ದೊರೆತ ಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ ಮತ್ತು ಇಂತಹ ದಾರಾಳ ಸಂಭವಗಳು ದಾರಾಳ ಇವೆ ಎಂಬುದನ್ನು ಸಮ್ಮತಿಸಿದ್ದು ತನ್ನ ಆಶಯದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ವಿರೋಧಭಾಸವನ್ನು ಎತ್ತಿತೋರಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ.
ಪವಿತ್ರ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಬಹುದೇವಾರಾಧನೆಯನ್ನು ಖಂಡಿಸಿ ಮತ್ತು ವಿರೋಧಿಸಿ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ದಾರಾಳ ಸೂಕ್ತಗಳಿವೆ, ಇದರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ತುಂಬಾ ವಿವರಿಸಿ ಅನೇಕ ಪುಟಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆದ ಯಾವುದೇ ಇಮಾಮ್ ಗಳು ಇದು ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿಯೇ ಇಲ್ಲ, ಹಾಗೆ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗೂ ಕಾಣಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ, ಇದರಿಂದಲೇ ಇದು ಬ್ಯೂ ಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ತೌಹೀದೀ ಜಾಹಿಲ್ ಗಳ ಸ್ಲೋಗನ್ ಎಂದು ವ್ಯಕ್ತ,
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #240 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-05-06
O believer & Abu Humaira,

When we started to come up with proof for Thawassul and Isthighasa from your own great leader, Believer and Abu Humaira started to tremble without knowing how to justify their stand honestly. To hide the defeat, the brothers found a solution that debate should be either in Saudi Or Kuwait. By Allah, you people are not honest to yourselves and arguing just for the sake of arguments. There is something called Hidayath, which is travelling in the opposite direction of you people.

And Intelligent Man Abu Maryam Basheer, I am in no mood to argue with you. From the tone we make out what is what and what the intentions are. We have had enough arguments with your dumb associates without any result and don’t’ want another smart guy to continue ranting. Decode the Arabic by yourself and understand yourself on what context your leader has told this and apply it with basics of Thawassul and Isthighasa as you have understood. If you get the answer please let us also know.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #239 , Permude2010-05-06
Abu Maryam,

what is the basics of Thawassul and Isthighasa?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #238 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-06
O'Samiulla, Why are you sweatting to have a debate in Saudi or Kuwait??If according to you Mr.perode's a top scholar,Let do a reality check of your guru Mr.Perode's ability & proficiency in Arabic knowledge,why are you dragging your feets form Mr.Abu Humairas honest call for an meaningful debate?.And also we can conduct full fledged,with full of international media glare debate, come what may.Let's know are you ready for it? Inshaallah Hussain Salfi ,Zakariya Swalahi,haneef Kaykkody & other Salafi scholars will be there.Why we're insisting Saudi or Kuwait,because as Mr.Abu humaira mentioned here that there's so many debates happened many of them incomplete due to your musliyars fitna's.
So if you are so dare & you are sure that you are in right path (which you are not)then why are you back tracking to do it anywhere in the world.
And you've mentioned that, debate shall be in India for Indians, not anywhere out of the country,then i doubt that your Islam also from India only, otherwise you will agree for an debate in anywhere.
So, dont come up with another foolish & mindless arguement, instead get ready for a REAL DEBATE or put your tail underneath & listen what Islams great scholars (not your perode or AP,as they've some 1% knowledge of true Islam) taught us.
Mind that Your further similar comments will be consider as a junk & if it's worth to consider then we will reply to it accordingly.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #237 , RE: Jubail, KSA2010-05-06
Dear Brother..

Do not Divert the Matter.. As per my request you sent some Arabic Text... Please let me know its page # & Exact translation in English.. Then I will show you what he said... Do not use Trick please...

& Please learn the Basic of tawassul & Isthigasa..

I think we better start with Email or Face to Face..

I am not debating with your leaders. I am debating with you now. if you cannot give me answer then tell to your learned leaders to Answers... Please

For Sunni Leaders Kerala Salafis Doing good Job.

Are you Ready to Debate in Saudi & Kuwait???

Jazakallah
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #236 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-05
O' Abu Humaira,

Do you think we consider Ibn Thaimiyaa Ahl Sunna to accept what he has said against the matters in question.

Like the changing colours of Salafi every now and then, your biggest Guru has also justified Thawassul and Isthighasa in the mentioned book. Find the below reference:




ما يروى من أن قوما سمعوا رد السلام من قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو قبور غيره من الصالحين. وأن سعيد بن المسيب كان يسمع الأذان من القبر ليالي الحرة. ونحو ذلك. فهذا كله حق ليس مما نحن فيه، والأمر أجل من ذلك وأعظم.
وكذلك أيضا ما يروى: أن رجلا جاء إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فشكا إليه الجدب عام الرمادة، فرآه وهو يأمره أن يأتي عمر، فيأمره أن يخرج يستسقي بالناس فإن هذا ليس من هذا الباب. ومثل هذا يقع كثيرا لمن هو دون النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وأعرف من هذا وقائع.
وكذلك سؤال بعضهم للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، أو لغيره من أمته حاجة فتقضى له، فإن هذا قد وقع كثيرا، وليس هو مما نحن فيه.


You have come up with so many question regarding Debate, which are irrelevant to us.

Our role is not at all required to arrange the debate. Sunni Ulemas ever ready to face you people to protect Ahl Sunna and as Abu Mohamed said earlier, all that required is a paper statement challenging Sunnis for a face to face debate. See the magic then, how the things will work. What do you think of Sunnis?

Those formalities are for your Gurus, who have to have permission from their Gurus and their Gurus. What Sunni Ulemas require is just a statement from your Gurus on their readiness for a face to face debate as we outlined earlier. Bunch of them will get ready.

You proposed to have the debate in Saudi or Kuwait , why not in moon?

O' Abu Humaira, debate shall be in India for Indians, not anywhere out of the country.


Just get your Hussain Salafi’s ready and have the readiness announced in paper. Or just a registered post to Perode’s institution is enough.


If anything further required, we will definitely talk to our Ulemas.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #235 , saudi Arabia2010-05-05
ನಾನು ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ಎಂಬ ಈ ನ್ಯಾಬ್ರಾಂಡ್ ನ ಹುಳುಕುಗಳ ಕೇವಲ ಕೆಲವು ಸ್ಯಾಂಪಲ್ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೆನು , ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ತೇಪೆ ಹಚ್ಚಲು ಹರಸಾಹಸ ಪಟ್ಟ ಕುವೈತ್ನಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಕುಟ್ಟಿ ಸಲಪಿಯ ಕುತಂತ್ರವನ್ನು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ತಿಳಿಸಬಯಸುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಈ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಹಚ್ಚಿದ ತೇಪೆ ಮಾತ್ರ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಒಂದೇ ಹನಿಗೆ ಬಿದ್ದುಬಿಟ್ಟಿದೆ. ಈ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳ ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶವು ರಮದಾನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಬ್ ಹಿನ ಬಳಿಕ ತಿನ್ನಲು ಪರ್ಮಿಶನ್ ಕೊಟ್ಟು ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳ ಪವಿತ್ರ ರಮದಾನ್ ನ ಉಪವಾಸವನ್ನು ವ್ಯರ್ಥ ಮಾಡಿಲ್ಲವೇ? ನೋಡಿರಿ ಹೇಗಿದೆ ಈ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ನ ಅಪೀಮು
ಸಹರಿ ಉಣ್ಣುತ್ತಿರುವಾಗ ಅದಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿಸಿದರೆ ತಕ್ಷಣ ತಿನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸಬೇಕು.......( ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶ ಸಪ್ಟೆಂಬರ್ 15- ಆಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ 15,2007 ಸಂಪುಟ 11 ಸಂಚಿಕೆ 23-24, ಪುಟ 125 ರಮದಾನ್ ವಿಶೇಷಾಂಕ)
ಇದು ವಿಶ್ವ ಮುಶ್ಲಿಮರು ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಇದನ್ನೇ ಪಾಲಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳು ಈ ಸತ್ಯವನ್ನು ಒಪ್ಪಿದ್ದಾರೆ
ಆದರೆ 2008 ಆಗುವಾಗ ದೀನ್ ಬದಲಾಯಿತು, ಯಾರೂ ಕೇಳರಿಯದ ಈ ಹಿಂದೆ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಕ್ಕೆ ವ್ಯತಿರಕ್ತವಾಗಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ನ ನಿಜ ಬಣ್ಣ ಅನಾವರಣಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆ. ತುಂಬಾ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಅದರ ಮುಖ್ಯ ಭಾಗವನ್ನು ಮಾತ್ರ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಕೊಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ “ ಆಹಾರದ ಪಾತ್ರೆ ಕೈಯಲ್ಲಿರುವಾಗ ನಿಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾರಾದರೂ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದರೆ ಅವರು ಅದರಿಂದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಸೇವಿಸುವ ವರೆಗೆ ಆ ಪಾತ್ರೆ ಕೆಳಗಿಬಿಡಬಾರದು( ಸ್ವಹೀಹ್ ಅಬೂದಾವೂದ್) .... ಇಸ್ಲಾಮಿನ ಈ ವಿನಾಯಿತಿ ತಿಳಿಯದೇ ಹಲವರು ಪ್ರಯಾಸಪಡುತ್ತಾರೆ,ಆಕಸ್ಮಿಕವಾಗಿ ನಿದ್ರೆಯಿಂದ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಏಳಲು ತಡವಾದರೆ ಅದಾನಿನ ಮೊದಲು ಅಹಾರ ತಿಂದು ಮುಗಿಸಲು ಅಸಾಧ್ಯವಾದರೆ ಸಹರಿ ಉನ್ನದೇ ಅಥವಾ ಅಂದಿನ ಉಪವಾಸವನೇ ಬಿಟ್ಟು ಬಿಡುವವರು ಈ ವಿನಾಯತಿ ತಿಳಿಯದ ಅಥವಾ ತಿಳಿದೂ ಜೀವನದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಳವಡಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗದ ಜನರೆಂಬುದು ಖಚಿತ ( ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶ – ರಮದಾನ್ ವಿಶೇಷಾಂಕ ಸಪ್ಟೆಂಬರ್ 1-30, 2008 )
ನೀವು 2007 ರಲ್ಲಿ ತಿನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸಬೇಕು, 2008 ರಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಬ್ ಹಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ನ ಬಳಿಕವೂ ತಿನ್ನಲು ಸಲ್ಪಿ ದೀನ್ ಪರ್ಮಾನು ಹೊರಡಿಸುತ್ತದೆ, ಆದರೆ ಸೌದಿಯಲ್ಲಿರುವ ವಹಾಬಿ ನೇತಾರ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಬಾಝ್ ಮತ್ತು ಇಬ್ನ್ ಉಸೈಮೀನ್ ಸುಭ್ ಹಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ನ ಬಳಿಕ ತಿನ್ನಬಾರದು ಎಂದು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಾರೆ , ಈ ಹದೀಸ್ ತಿನ್ನಲಿಕ್ಕಿರುವ ರಿಯಾಯತಿ ಎಂಬ ವಾದವನ್ನು ಯಾರೂ ಹೇಳಿಲ್ಲ, ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಹಗಲಿನಂತೆ ಗೋಚರಿಸುವ ಈ ದ್ವಂದ್ವ ಸಲಿಸಮ್ ನ್ನು ಮರೆಮಾಚಲು ಹರಸಾಹಸಪಡುವ ಕುಟ್ಟಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿಯ ಕುತಂತ್ರವು ಹಾಸ್ಯಾಸ್ಪಸ್ಪದವಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಇದುವೇ ನೂರು ನೂರು ಸುಳ್ಳುಗಳ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್.
ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳು ಇಬ್ಬಾಗವಾಗಿದ್ದು ಸುಮಾರು 2003 ರ ಇಸವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ, ನಾನು ಇಲ್ಲಿ 1990 ಮತ್ತು ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಮುಂಚಿನ ಕಾಲದ ಶಬಾಬ್ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆ ಯನ್ನು ಉದ್ದರಿಸಿದ್ದು, ಆಗ ಮಡವೂರ್ರ್ ಗ್ರೂಪ್ ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳೇ ಅಸ್ತಿತ್ವದಲ್ಲಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ, ಹಾಗಾಗಿ ಇದನ್ನು ಬೇರೆ ಯಾರದೋ ತಲೆಯ ಮೇಲೆ ಇಡಲು ಈ ಕುಟ್ಟಿ ಸಲ್ಪಿಯ ಕುತಂತ್ರ ಹರಸಾಹಸಪಡುವುದು ವಿಪರ್ಯಾಸಕರ, ನೀವೂ ಮತ್ತು ಮಡವೂರಿಗಳು ಇಬ್ಬರೂ ದೊಡ್ಡ ನಜಸ್ ಗಳೇ ,
ಹಾಗಾಗಿ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮರು ಜಾಗೃತೆ ಯಲ್ಲಿರಬೇಕಾದ ಈ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ಎಂಬ ನಜಸ್ ನ್ನು ಮುಂದೆ ಸಂದರ್ಭೋಚಿತವಾಗಿ ಏಕೆ ದೂರವಿರಬೇಕು ಎಂದು ವಿವರಿಸುತ್ತೇನೆ, ಇನ್ಶಾ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹ್ , ನಿಮ್ಮ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಕುತಂತ್ರ ಗಳೊಂದಿಗೆ ಬನ್ನಿರಿ, ಅದೆಲ್ಲವೂ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಟುಸ್ ಟುಸ್ ...
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #234 , saudi Arabia2010-05-05
ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸ : ಪಾಪಿಗಳು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ)ರವರ ಬಳಿ ಹೋಗಿ ತಮ್ಮ ಪಾಪ ನಿವೇದನೆ ಮಾಡಲು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಮಾರ್ಗದರ್ಶನ ನೀಡುತ್ತಾನೆಂದು ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳೇ ಅಂಗೀಕರಿಸುವ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಕಸೀರ್ ತನ್ನ ತಫ್ಸೀರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಗತ ಕಾಲದ ಇಮಾಮರುಗಳ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಯತೇಚ್ಛ ವಾಗಿ ಕಾಣಬಹುದು, “ಅಸ್ಸಲಾಮು ಅಲೈಕ ಯಾ ರಸೂಲಲ್ಲಾಹ್ “ಪಾಪಿಗಳಾದ ಮಂದಿ ತಮ್ಮ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನಲ್ಲಿ ಕ್ಷಮೆ ಯಾಚಿಸಿ ರಸೂಲರು (ತಾವು) ಅವರಿಗಾಗಿ ಕ್ಷಮೆ ಬೇಡಿದರೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನು ಅವರ ಮೇಲೆ ಕರುಣೆ ಉಳ್ಳವನಾಗಿಯೂ ಕ್ಷಮೆ ನೀಡುವವನಾಗಿಯೂ ಅವರು ತಿಳಿಯುವರು ಎಂದು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾಗಿ ನಾನು ಕೇಳಿರುವೆನು,ನಾನು ತಮ್ಮ ಬಳಿಗೆ ನನ್ನಪಾಪಗಳಿಂದ ಕ್ಷಮೆ ಬೇಡುವವನಾಗಿ ತಮ್ಮೊಂದಿಗೆ ನನ್ನ ಪ್ರಭುವಿನೆಡೆಗೆ ಶಿಫಾರಸು ಕೇಳುವವನಾಗಿ ಬಂದಿರುವೆನು” ಎಂದು ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ ಘಟನೆಯನ್ನು ಇಬ್ನ್ ಕಸೀರ್ ತನ್ನ ತಫ್ಸೀರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಉದ್ದರಿಸಿದ್ದಾರಲ್ವಾ? ಇದೇನು ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ತಫ್ ಸೀರೋ ? ಇಬ್ನ್ ಕಸೀರ್ ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಕರೋ ? “ಇಮಾಮ್ ನವವೀ (ರ) ರವರು ಖುರ್ ಆನ್ ಹಾಗೂ ಹದೀಸ್ ಚರ್ಯೆಯ ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಕರಾಗಿ ಜೀವಿಸಿದ ಒಬ್ಬ ಮಹಾನ್ ವಿದ್ವಾಂಸರು” ಎಂದು ಸಲಪಿ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆ ಸಂಪುಟ 12 ಸಂಚಿಕೆ 18 ರಲ್ಲಿದೆ. ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರ ಖಬ್ರ್ ನ ಬಳಿ ಬಂದು ಝಿಯಾರತ್ ಮಾಡುವುದರ ಆದಾಬ್ ಗಳನ್ನು ವಿವರಿಸುತ್ತಾ ಮೇಲಿನ ಘಟನೆಯನ್ನು ತಮ್ಮ ಗ್ರಂಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೊಟ್ಟು ಇಮಾಮ್ ನವವೀ (ರ)ನಮಗೆ ದೀನ್ ಕಲಿಸಿಕೊಟ್ಟಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಇಮಾಮ್ ನವವಿ (ರ) ಖುರ್ ಆನ್ ಹಾಗೂ ಹದೀಸ್ ಚರ್ಯೆಯ ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಕರಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಇವರೆಲ್ಲಾ ಕಲಿಸಿದ ಯಥಾರ್ಥ ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ನಮ್ಮೊಂದಿಗಿದೆ,ನೀವು ಹೊಸ ದೀಸ್ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ನೊಂದಿಗಿದ್ದೀರಿ, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪರಂಪರೆ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಅಬ್ದುಲ್ ವಹ್ಹಾಬ್ ನೊಂದಿಗೆ ಕೊನೆಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆ, ನಮ್ಮ ಇಸ್ಲಾಮಿನ ಗುರು ಪರಂಪರೆ ನನ್ನ ಸಯ್ಯಿದುನಾ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ ಮುಹಮ್ಮದ್ (ಸ) ರವರ ಬಳಿ ತಲುಪುತ್ತದೆ , ಇದುವೇ ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ಮತ್ತು ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ –ವಹಾಬಿಸಮ್ ನ ನಡುವಿನ ವೆತ್ಯಾಸ, ಇನ್ನೂ ಇದೆ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #233 , saudi Arabia2010-05-05
ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಸಹೋದರರೇ ,
ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ದೀನ್ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮರಿಗೆ ಹೊಸತು, ಹುಳು ಮತ್ತು ಹುಳುಕುಗಳೇ ಆಲ್ಲಿ ತುಂಬಿರುವುದು,ಅದನ್ನು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಅನಾವರಣ ಗೊಳಿಸಲು ತೌಫೀಕ್ ನೀಡಿದ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನಿಗೆ ಸರ್ವ ಸ್ತೊತ್ರಗಳು.ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಜ್ಞಾನ ಮತ್ತೊಮ್ಮೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಅನಾವರಣಗೊಂಡಿದೆ, ನೀವು ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ದೀನ್ ನ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಅಜ್ಞಾನಿಗಳಾಗಿದ್ದರಿಂದ ಇಂಥ ಜಹಾಲತ್ ನಿಮ್ಮಿಂದ ಹೊರಹೊಮ್ಮಳೇ ಬೇಕಾಗಿದೆ.ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಮತ್ತು ಹದೀಸ್ ನ್ನು ಆಳವಾಗಿ ತಿಳಿದ ಪೂರ್ವಿಕ ಇಮಾಮರುಗಳು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಮತ್ತು ಹದೀಸ್ ಗೆ ಕೊಡುವ ಅರ್ಥವಿವರಣೆಯನ್ನು ನಾವು ಅಹ್ಲುಸ್ಸುನಃ ವಲ್-ಜಮಾಹತ್ ನವರು ಅವಲಂಬಿಸುತ್ತೇವೆ, ನೀವು ಸ್ವತಃ ಮೂಢರು, ನಿಮಗೆ ದೀನ್ ಮನಬಂದಂತೆ ಹೇಳಿಕೊಡುವವರು ಕೂಡಾ ಅಲ್ಪ ಜ್ಞಾನಿಗಳು , ಅವರು ಕೊಟ್ಟ ವಿವರಣೆಯ ಹಿಂದೆ ನೀವು ಇದ್ದೀರಿ ,ಹಾಗಾಗಿ ಪವಿತ್ರ ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ನಿಂದ ವ್ಯತಿಚಲಿಸಿದ ಹೊಸ ದೀನ್ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ಹುಟ್ಟುವುದು ಸ್ವಾಭಾವಿಕವಲ್ಲವೇ ?ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸವನ್ನು ವಿರೋಧಿಸುವ ಮತ್ತು ಅದನ್ನು ಮಾಡುವ ವಿಶ್ವ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮ್ ಸಮುದಾಯವನ್ನು ಮುಶ್ರಿಕ್ ಗಳೆಂದು ಹೇಳುವ ನೀವು ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಅಧಾರವಾಗಿ ನೀವು ಪವಿತ್ರ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಿಂದ ಉದ್ದರಿಸುವ ಒಂದೇ ಒಂದು ಸೂಕ್ತದಲ್ಲಿ ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸ ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಎಂದಿಲ್ಲ, ಹಾಗೆ ಅರ್ಥವಿದೆ ಎಂದು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನ ಅಂಗೀಕೃತ ಯಾವುದೇ ಪೂರ್ವಿಕ ಇಮಾಮರೋ ಮುಪಸ್ಸಿರ್ ಗಳೋ , ಮುಹದ್ದಿಸ್ ಗಳೋ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆಯೇ ?, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹೊಸ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ದೀನ್ ಹುಟ್ಟುಹಾಕಿದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಅಬ್ದುಲ್ ವಹಾಬ್ ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯನಿಂದ ಎರವಲು ಪಡೆದ ಹೊಸ ಆಶಯವಲ್ಲವೇ ? ಇಬ್ನ್ ತೀಮಿಯ್ಯಾ ಬರುವ ವರೆಗೆ ಇಂಥ ಒಂದು ವಾದವೇ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮ್ ಜಗತ್ತಿಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತಿರಲ್ಲವೆಂದು ಇಮಾಮ್ ಸುಬ್ ಕೀ (ರ) ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಮಕ್ಕಾ ಮುಶ್ರಿಕ್ ಗಳು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ತೌಹೀದ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ನಂಬಿಕೆ ಇದ್ದೇ ಇರಲಿಲ್ಲ,ಇತರ ಶಕ್ತಿಗಳಿಂದ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನನ್ನು ಬೇರ್ಪಡಿಸುವ “ಸ್ವಯಂ ಪೂರ್ಣತೆ” ತಮ್ಮ ದೇವರುಗಳಿಗೆ ಅವರು ನಂಬಿದ್ದರುಇಮಾಮ್ ರಾಝಿ (ರ) ರವರು ಹೇಳುವುದು ; ಬಹು ದೇವಾರಾಧಕರು ತಮ್ಮ ದೈವಗಳಿಗೆ ಸ್ವಯಂ ಉಪಕಾರ ಮತ್ತು ಉಪದ್ರ ಮಾಡಲು ಮತ್ತು ಶಿಪಾರಸು ಮಾಡಲು ಶಕ್ತಿಯಿದೆಯೆಂದು ಭಾವಿಸಿದ್ದರು ( ತಫ್ಸೀರು ರಾಝಿ 17/88)
ಆದರೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಅನುಮತಿ ಮತ್ತು ಅವನು ಕೊಡದೇ ಯಾವುದೇ ಸ್ವಯಂ ಉಪಕಾರ ಮತ್ತು ಉಪದ್ರ ಮಾಡಲು ಯಾವ ನಬಿಯ್ಯಿಗೂ ವಲಿಯ್ಯಿಗೂ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲವೆಂಬ ಅಚಲ ವಿಶ್ವಾಸದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮ್ ಸಮುದಾಯವನ್ನು ನೀವು ಮುಶ್ರಿಕ್ ಗಳಾಗಿ ಚಿತ್ರೀಕರಿಸಲು ನಿಮ್ಮ ನ್ಯಾಯವೇ ಬಾಲಿಶವಾಗಿದೆ.
ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು : ಅವರಿಗೆ ನೀವು ಎಚ್ಚರಿಕೆ ಕೊಟ್ಟರೂ ಕೊಡದಿದ್ದರೂ ಸರಿಯೇ, ಅವರಂತು ವಿಶ್ವಾಸವಿಡುವವರಲ್ಲ ( ಅಲ್-ಬಖರ -6)
ನೀವು ಆಶ್ಚರ್ಯಪಡುವುದಾದರೆ “ ನಾವು ಸತ್ತು ಮಣ್ಣಾಗಿ ಹೋದ ಬಳಿಕ ಪುನ :ಸೃಷ್ಟಿಸಲ್ಪಡುವೆವೋ ? ಎಂದು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸಿವವರ ಮಾತು ಆಶ್ಚರ್ಯಪಡತಕ್ಕದ್ದೇ ಆಗಿದೆ, ಇವರು ತಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಭುವನ್ನು ನಿಶೇಧಿಸಿದವರು, ಇವರು ಕೊರಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೋಳಬಿದ್ದವರು. ಇವರೇ ನರಕದವರು ಮತ್ತು ನರಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಸದಾ ಉಳಿಯುವವರು ( ಸೂರ: ಅರ್ರಹ್ದ್ -5)
ಹಲವು ಕಡೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಮಕ್ಕಾ ಮುಶ್ರಿ ಕ್ ಗಳು “ ಕಫರೂ” (ಪ್ರಭುವನ್ನು ನಿಶೇಧಿಸಿದವರು )ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದರೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ವ್ಯತಿರಕ್ತವಾಗಿ ನೀವು ಮಕ್ಕಾ ಮುಶ್ರಿಕ್ ಗಳು ಮುಹ್ ಮಿನ್ ಗಳೆಂದು ಹೇಳುತ್ತೀರಿ, ಇದುವೇ ವಹಾಬಿಸಮ್- ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ,
ಮಕ್ಕಾ ಮುಶ್ರಿಕ್ ಗಳು ಕೆಲವು ಕಡೆ “ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹ್” ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಅವರು ಮುಹ್ ಮಿನ್ ಗಳಾಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂಬುದಕ್ಕೆ ಅಧಾರ ಕಂಡುಹಿಡಿಯುವ ಸಲ್ಪಿ ಬಡಪಾಯಿಗಳೇ ಹಾಗಾಗಿಯೂ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅವರನ್ನು “ ಕಫರೂ” ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದರ ಅರ್ಥವೇನೆಂದು ತಿಳಿಯುವಷ್ಟು ಕುರುಡು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹೃದಯಕ್ಕೆ ಸಂಭವಿಸಿತೋ ? “ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆ” ಎಂಬುದರ ಅರ್ಥವೇ ಏನೆಂದು ತಿಳಿಯದ ನೀವು ಸುಮ್ಮನೇ ಏನೆಲ್ಲಾ ಗೋಲಾಡುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ತಾತ್ವಿಕ ನ್ಯಾಯವಿದೆಯಾ ? ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಹದೀಸ್ ತಿಳಿದ ಮುಪಸ್ಸಿರ್ ಗಳು ಮಹದ್ದಿಸ್ ಗಳು , ಇಮಾಮರುಗಳು ವಿವರಿಸಲಿ, ಆಗ ಸಲ್ಪಿಸಮ್ ಗೆ ಆಸ್ಪದವಿಲ್ಲ ನಿಮಗೆಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಹಿದಾಯತ ನ ದರ್ಶನ ಸಿಗಬಹುದು ಇಸ್ಲಾಮಿನ ಅನುಯಾಯಿಗಳಾಗಬಹುದು.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #232 , panemangalore/kuwait2010-05-05
ಇವೆಲ್ಲ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳಿಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಉತ್ತರವು ಸಿಕ್ಕಿದ ನಂತರ ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಾವು ಅಧಿಕೃತವಾಗಿ ಮುಂದಡಿಯಿಡುತ್ತೇವೆ. ಇನ್ಸಾಅಲ್ಲಾಹ್. ಸಂವಾದ ಎಂಬುವುದು ಬಾಲವಾಡಿ ಮಕ್ಕಳ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮವಲ್ಲ. ವೆಬ್ ಸೆಯ್ಟೊಂದರ “ಕಮೆಂಟ್” ಪೇಜಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಟಯ್ ಪ್ ಮಾಡಿ ಕಳಿಸುವ ಬಾಲಿಶತೆಯೂ ಅಲ್ಲ. ಅದನ್ನು ನೀವು ಅರ್ಥ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕು. ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ನಾವೆಂದೂ ತಯಾರಾಗಿದ್ದೇವೆ, ಆದರೆ ನಮಗೆ ಮುಖ್ಯ ಸಂವಾದದ ಫಲಿತಾಂಶ. ನಿಮ್ಮಂತೆ ತೋರಿಕೆಗಾಗಿ ಅಥವಾ ಮುಖ ರಕ್ಷಿಸಲಿಕ್ಕಿರುವ ಒಂದು ಸಂವಾದವಲ್ಲ. ಮೇಲಿನ ವಿಷಯಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನೀವು ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟವಾಗಿ ಉತ್ತರಿಸುವುದಾದರೆ ನಾವು ನಮ್ಮ ಇ-ಮಯಿಲ್ ವಿಳಾಸಗಳನ್ನು ನಿಮಗೆ ತಲುಪಿಸಲಿದ್ದೇವೆ, ಮುಂದೆ ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಬಾಕಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಗಳು ಸಾಗಲಿವೆ. ಇನ್ಸಾಅಲ್ಲಾಹ್. ಆದರೆ ನಮ್ಮ ಮಟ್ಟಿಗೆ ಇಂದು ವಿವಿಧ ಸ್ಥಳಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವ “ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ್ ಗಳ ಸಾರ್ವಜನಿಕ ವಿಚಾರಣೆಗಳ” ದ್ರಶ್ಯ, ಶ್ರಾವ್ಯ ಸಂವಾದಗಳು ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಯಶಸ್ವಿಯಾಗುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದಲೇ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹಠಮಾರಿ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ್ ಗಳೊಂದಿಗೆ ಸಂವಾದ ನಡೆಸಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಸಮಯ ಹಾಳು ಮಾಡಲು ನಾವು ಬಯಸದಿರುವುದು. ನಿಮ್ಮ ಗಣನೆಗೆ ಇನ್ನೊಂದು ವಿಷಯವನ್ನು ನಾನು ತರಬೇಕೆಂದಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ಒಂದು ವರ್ಷದ ಹಿಂದೆ ನಮ್ಮ ಮಂಗಳೂರು ಮತ್ತು ಕೇರಳದ ಬಾಲುಶ್ಶೇರಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಎರಡು ಸಂವಾದಗಳಿಗೆ ಪರಸ್ಪರ ಒಪ್ಪಿಗೆಯಾಗಿತ್ತು. ಆದರೆ ಕ್ಷುಲ್ಲಕ ಕಾರಣಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ್ ಗಳು ಆ ಸಂವಾದ ತಯಾರಿಗಳನ್ನು ವಿಫಲಗೊಳಿಸಿದ್ದರು. ಅದರ ರೂಪುರೇಖೆ ನಿರ್ಣಯ “ಸಿಟ್ಟಿಂಗ್”ನ ಸಿಡಿಯು ನಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿವೆ. ಇನ್ನು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸಕ್ಕೆ ಪುರಾವೆಯಾಗಿ ಶೆಯ್ಖುಲ್ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ಇಬ್ನುತಯ್ಮಿಯರವರ ಅನುಮೋದನೆಯಿದೆ ಎಂಬ ನಿಮ್ಮ ವಾದ. ಸಹೋದರ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಈ ನೂತನವಾದವನ್ನು ಶೆಯ್ಖುಲ್ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ಇಬ್ನುತಯ್ಮಿಯರವರು ಖಂಡತುಂಡವಾಗಿ ವಿರೋಧಿಸುವ ನೂರಾರು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಗಳನ್ನು ನಾವು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮುಂದಿಟ್ಟರೆ ನೀವು ಅನುಸರಿಸುವಿರೇ? ಕೊನೆಯದಾಗಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮುಂದೆ ಕುರ್‌ಆನ್ ಸೂಕ್ತವೊಂದನ್ನು ಇಡಲು ಬಯಸುತ್ತೇನೆ;
"ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ನಿಮಗೇನಾದರೂ ಕೆಡುಕನ್ನು ತಗುಲಿಸಿದರೆ ಅವನ ಹೊರತು ಇನ್ನಾರೂ ಅದನ್ನು ದೂರ ಮಾಡುವವರಿಲ್ಲ. ಮತ್ತು ಅವನು ನಿಮಗೇನಾದರೂ ಒಳಿತನ್ನು ತಲುಪಿಸಿದರೆ ಅವನ ಅನುಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ತಡೆಯುವವರೂ ಯಾರೂ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಅವನು ತನಗಿಷ್ಟ ಬಂದವರಿಗೆ ತನ್ನ ಅನುಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ನೀಡುತ್ತಾನೆ. ಅವನು ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಕ್ಷಮಿಸುವವನೂ, ಕರುಣಾಮಯಿಯೂ ಆಗಿದ್ದಾನೆ." {ಸೂರ ಯೂನುಸ್ :107)
ಸಹೋದರ, ನೀವು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿದ ಸೂರ ಅನ್ನಿಸಾದ ಸೂಕ್ತವನ್ನು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರರೇ ಈಗ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹೇತರರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಗೆ ಪುರಾವೆಯಾಗಿ ಬಳಸಲು ಹಿಂದೇಟು ಹಾಕುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಆ ಕಾರಣದಿಂದಲೇ ಅಲುವಾ ಸಂವಾದದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಹ್ಸನಿ ಈ ಸೂಕ್ತವನ್ನು ಬಿಟ್ಟು ಈಸಾ ನಬಿ(ಅ.ಸ)ಯವರ ಕುರಿತಾದ ದುರ್ಬಲ ಹದೀಸಿನ ಮೊರೆ ಹೊಕ್ಕಿದ್ದು. ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ತವುಹೀದ್ ನಿಂದ ಅನುಗ್ರಹಿಸಲಿ ಎಂಬುವುದೇ ನಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆ. ಅಮೀನ್.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #231 , panemangalore/kuwait2010-05-05
1)ನೀವು ನಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಆಹ್ವಾನಿಸುವ ಮುನ್ನ ಈ ಸಂಭಂದವಾಗಿ ಪೆರೋಡ್ ಅಥವಾ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಂಘಟನೆಯ ಜವಬ್ದಾರರ ಅನುಮತಿಯನ್ನು ಪಡೆದಿರುವಿರೇ?
2)ಸಂವಾದವನ್ನು ಮರು ಜಾರಿಗೊಳಿಸಲು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ನೀವು ಯಾವುದಾದರೂ ಸುನ್ನಿ ಸಂಘಟನೆಯ ಸದಸ್ಯರೇ? ಹಾಗಿದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಂಘಟನೆ ಯಾವುದು? ಮತ್ತು ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಜವಬ್ದಾರಿ(ಹುದ್ದೆ)ಯೇನು?
3)ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಮುಂಚೆ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರರು ಮತ್ತು ಉಲಮಾಗಳು ಅದರ ರೂಪುರೇಖೆಗಳನ್ನು ತಯಾರಿಸಲು ಒಂದೋ, ಎರಡೋ, ಅಥವಾ ಮೂರೋ ಸಿಟ್ಟಿಂಗ್ ಗಳನ್ನು ನಡೆಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಮಗೆ ಯಾವುದಾದರೂ ಮಾಹಿತಿ ಮತ್ತು ಅರಿವು, ಅನುಭವ ಇದೆಯೇ?
4)ಸಂವಾದ ನಡೆಸಲು ಎರಡೂ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳು ಪರಸ್ಪರ ಈ ಕುರಿತು ಅಧಿಕೃತ ಪತ್ರವನ್ನು ತಯಾರಿಸಿ ಪರಸ್ಪರ ನೀಡುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಈಪತ್ರ ತಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿದೆಯೇ?
5)ಸಂವಾದದ ಮಧ್ಯಸ್ತಿಕೆ ವಹಿಸಲು ತಟಸ್ಥ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿಗಳ ಗುಂಪೊಂದು ಅವಶ್ಯವಿದೆ. ಅವರಾಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಇದರ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಕಾರ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ನಿರ್ವಹಿಸುವುದು. ಇಂತಹ ಯಾರನ್ನಾದರೂ ತಾವು ಕಂಡಿಟ್ಟಿದ್ದೀರಾ? ಇದ್ದರೆ ಅವರು ಯಾರು?
6)ಇಂತಹ ಮಧ್ಯಸ್ಥರನ್ನು ಮುಂದಿಟ್ಟು ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಆಹ್ವಾನಿಸದೆ, ಅಥವಾ ಸಂಘಟನೆಯ ಅಧಿಕೃತ ಪತ್ರವಿಲ್ಲದೆ ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಆಹ್ವಾನಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ಷೇತ್ರ ಈ ಪರಧಿಯೊಳಗಿದೆ ಎಂಬ ಪರಿಪೂರ್ಣ ವಿಶ್ವಾಸ ನಿಮಗಿದೆಯೇ?
7)ಇಷ್ಟರವರಗೂ ನಡೆದ ಸಂವಾದಗಳು ಕೇರಳದಲ್ಲಾಗಿತ್ತು, ಇದೀಗ ನಾವು ಗಲ್ಫ್ ನವರ ಅಪೇಕ್ಷೆಯ ಮೇರೆಗೆ ಈ ಸಂವಾದವು ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವ ಕಾರಣದಿಂದಾಗಿ ಈ ಸಂವಾದವನ್ನು ಗಲ್ಫ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ (ಸಊದಿ ಅರೇಬಿಯಾ ಅಥವಾ ಕುವಯ್ತ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ) ನಡೆಸುವುದು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದೆಂದು ನಮ್ಮ ಭಾವನೆ. ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವೇನು?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #230 , panemangalore/kuwait2010-05-05
ಸಹೋದರ ಸಮೀವುಲ್ಲಾ “ಡಿಬೇಟ್” ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಅತ್ಯುತ್ಸಾಹದಲ್ಲಿರುವಂತೆ ನಿಮಗೆ ಭಾಸವಾಗುತ್ತಿರಬಹುದು. ಆದರೆ ವಾಸ್ತವದಲ್ಲಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಬಾಣಗಳ ಹೊಡೆತಕ್ಕೆ ಸಿಲುಕಿ ರಣರಂಗ ಬಿಟ್ಟೋಡುವ ವ್ಯಾಕುಲತೆ ಮಾತ್ರವಾಗಿದೆ ಇದು. ಎಷ್ಟೊಂದು ಸಂವಾದಗಳು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆದಿದೆ. ಈ ಕಳೆದ ಮೂರು, ನಾಲ್ಕು ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಆಂತರದಲ್ಲಿ ಮೂರು, ನಾಲ್ಕು ಸಂವಾದಗಳು. ತಿರೂರು, ಮಣ್ಣಾರಕ್ಕಾಡ್, ಹೊಸಂಗಡಿ ಈ ಕೆಲವು ತಿಂಗಳಗಳ ಹಿಂದೆ ನಡೆದ ಆಲುವಾ ಸಂವಾದ. ಈ ಆಲುವಾ ಸಂವಾದದ ವಿಶೇಷತೆಯೇನೆಂದರೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಎಪಿ &ಕಂಪನಿ ತಂಡದಿಂದ ಹೊಸ ಮುಖ ನವುಶಾದ್ ಅಹ್ಸನಿ ಎಂಬ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ‍ರ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸಕ್ಕೆ ಪುರಾವೆಯಾಗಿ ಅಂತ್ಯಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರುವ ಈಸಾನಬಿಯವರು (ಅ.ಸ) ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರ ಕಬ್ರಿನ ಹತ್ತಿರ ಬಂದು ಸಲಾಮ್ ಹೇಳುವ ಮತ್ತು ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರು ಉತ್ತರ ಹೇಳುವ ದುರ್ಬಲ ಹದೀಸೊಂದನ್ನು ಮುಂದಿಟ್ಟಾಗ ನಿಜವಾಗಿಯೂ ಬೆಚ್ಚಿಬಿದ್ದವರು ಈ ನವುಶಾದ್ ಅಹ್ಸನಿಯ ಗುರುಗಳಾದ ಎಪಿ, ಪೆರೋಡ್ ಗಳೇ ಆಗಿದ್ದರು. ಇಷ್ಡು ವರ್ಷಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಅವರು ಕೂಡ ಕಾಣದ ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸದ ಈ ಹೊಸ ಪುರಾವೆ ಈ ನವುಶಾದ್ ಅಹ್ಸನಿ ಎಲ್ಲಿಂದ ತಂದನೆಂದು ಕೆಲವು ಕ್ಷಣ ಅವರೂ ತಬ್ಬಿಬ್ಬಾಗಿದ್ದರು. ಆ ಸಂವಾದದಲ್ಲಿ ನಂತರ ಸುನ್ನಿ ವಿಭಾಗದ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರು, ಶಯ್ಖ್ ಅಲ್ಬಾನಿಯವರ(ರಹಿಮಹುಲ್ಲಾಹ್) ಪುಸ್ತಕದ ದುರ್ವ್ಯಾಖ್ಯಾನವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿದಾಗ ಸಲಫಿ ವಿಭಾಗ ಅದನ್ನು ಆ ಕೂಡಲೇ ಹಿಡಿದರು. ಮುಖ ರಕ್ಷಿಸಲು ಅವರು ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ‍ರು ಗದ್ದಲದ ಮಾರ್ಗಹಿಡಿದರು. ಮುಂದೆ ನಿಮಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತೇ ಇರುವ ಹಾಗೆ ಸಂವಾದ ಅರ್ಧದಲ್ಲೇ ನಿಂತಿತು. ಸಂವಾದ ಮುಂದುವರಿದರ ಎರಡನೇ ಸೆಶನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ತಮ್ಮ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ದುರ್ವಾದಗಳ ನಗ್ನತೆಯನ್ನು ಜನ ಕಾಣಲಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂಬ ವಾಸ್ತವದ ಅರಿವು ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ‍್ ಗಳಿಗಿತ್ತು. ಈಗ ಸಹೋದರ ಸಮೀವುಲ್ಲಾ ಸಂವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಸಲಫಿಗಳನ್ನು ಕರೆಯುವಾಗ ಅವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಈ ಸಂಭಂದವಾಗಿ ನಮಗೆ ಕೆಲವು ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಕೇಳಲಿದೆ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #229 , Mangalore2010-05-04
Dear Sameeullah GM.

Assalam Alaikum..

Can you bring the Text of Ibn Taymiyya ( of his book in this page..

Hope we will start our discussion from this area.

I agree, that we need to quote the Meaning of Qur'anic Ayah from Sunni Soofi) Scholars, so we can get more clarifications about misconceptions...

let people decide. bring proof.. for your argument.

i hope you will bring the Text in your next reply
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #228 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-04
O' Beleiver,

I feel pity for your enjoyment that you succeeded. It is your day dream.

First of all, try to understand the real meaning of Quran through imams' interpretation.
Dont pose yourself as a big scholar as you are just a dust as far as perode usthad's islamic knowledge is concerned.

O' Beleiver, don't teach our scholars the meaning of quran. ok.

If these ayaths were against intercession. Why your great imam Ibn thimiyya had written in his Ekthilahul Sirat al Musthaqim that people have been benefited from intercession with Rasool (pbuh) even after his death. Was he against Quran?

Clarify? Do not come up with nonsense answers as you do always.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #227 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-04
O' believer,

Do you any morality to pose yourself as a protector of tawheed when you have clearly declined for face to face debate with our scholars? Why are you barking for nothing when you and your gurus don’t have the guts to face our scholars in face to face debate?

You talk about our bravery as if we have refused for face to face debate. It is very clear that, you don’t find anything to write other than nonsense as you have lost control on your pathetic mind.

you said...((Now we are understood very well & from the begining we were sceptical, why you are insisting for a fresh debate,It's your fake call, Even You people so scared to correct your deen with your guru's & ask any doubts with them & they are also doesnt have any pool proof answers from the authyentic sources.Then one can expect your fate.))

Why do you fill the column writing such meaningless arguments? You people are not ready for face to face debate, now you say that it is our fake call. O’ believer, what really happened to you ? why don’t you consult someone who can cure your disease ? Are you really in your sense?


You are just a dust as far as Hameed Musliyar's Islamic knowledge is concerned. As your mind is corrupted with Wahhabi ideology, how can you feel the benefit from him and the books in his library? There will a day to for you to repent for your ignorance.

You said the below
(“ At one point you are begging us to have a debate to know the truth and on the other side you're saying you are in the right way, If you are in a right way why need debate??)

Yes, we are in right path always as our scholars are ready at any time to reveal your misinterpretation on quran, hadith & books of imams by inviting for you gurus to face to face debate. If you and your gurus are in right path, why there is a hesitation to come forward for face to face debate to prove it. Anybody can bark we are in right path in back to back arguments.

Have you got the guts to arrange perodes date with us? What do you mean by this? Clarify.

People who have been visiting this column, have well understood your incapability for face to face debate and good at back to back arguments as it is easy to hide the fact just quoting some ayaths & hadiths which were revealed on Makka Mushriq.
What do you mean by so many other issues of your gurus to reveal to this public forum. Is it your intension to hide the defeat of your inability to agree for face to face debate?

We are not scared of your challenges as you are afraid of face to face debate with our scholars.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #226 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-04
O'Mr.Samiulla!!Your smartness taking you away from believing in Quraan's Verses & making way to jahannam.Twisting & Misintrepetations are once again proved from your below comment.ALHAMDULILLH,This's the result & outcome of this debate,Certain verses are not applicale you people right?This's your belief & your guru's Misintrepretation & Also what's applicable to you RAMAYANA?MAHABARATHA?BIBLE?when your situation is like this,what else we can expect from Perode's debate?? And again you dont try to gain sympathy by implicating that we misquoted Quran versus ,it's here in this forum to every one to see,who said all our quotation from the quraan's baladdiya, And you went such an extent to make people suspect about quraan .Mr.Abu Humaira,Clearly quoted from Holy Quraan Surah HAJJ;Verse No.73,In this verses Almighty Allah called YA AYYUHANNAAS not YA AYYUHAL MUSHRIKOON, So now tell me according to your greaat???perode, meaning of YA AYYUHANNAAS is OH MAKKAH MUSHRIK???? You are answerable here,dont evade from your responsibility.Why do you cheat innocent people in the name of Quran, Hadith & Books of Imams by your misinterpretati ons since so many years?
So your justification's that you can do any kind of Shirk,Bidaa still quraan not applicable to you? And You think Allah never punish you for your sin??

What you mean by 'As long as you are able to prove it in a face to face debate that these ayaths, hadith and immas' quots were all revealed on us, all your arguments are blaaaaaaaaaaaa bllllllllllllll lllasssss. As long as you & your Guru's believe in all the contents of the Quraans, any debates with your guru are waste of time,meaningless.This's your style of debate,disaster,really disaster for you.

Offcourse your scholars are stupid, brainless people like you. Don't have depth knowledge about quraan & dont believe in certain verses in Quraan.

So now let other people in this forum decide who's right & who's wrong path
Your gurus not only destroy your life but also your hereafter for sure.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #225 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-04
O' Abu Humaira,

These ayaths are all part of your routine arguments to brand sunnis as mushrik .

In Sura Al Nisa, Allah Says,

64. We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed in accordance with the will of Allah. If they (hypocrites), when they had been unjust to themselves, had come to you (Muhammad S.A) and begged Allah's Forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them, indeed, they would have found Allah All-Forgiving (One Who accepts repentance), Most Merciful.

What do you people say about this above verses of Quran? And also 4 Imams of schools of thoughts have said that intercession is permissible citing this ayath. Are they against Quran?

Your great Imam Ibn Taymiyyah has agreed in his Ekthilahul Sirat al Musthaqim that people have been benefited from intercession with Rasool (pbuh) even after his death. Is he against Quran?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #224 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-03
O’ Abu Humaira,

Don't try to be smart and pose as a pious. Never try to gain sympathy by implicating that I said Quran versus are bla blaaas.
Why do you cheat innocent people in the name of Quran, Hadith & Books of Imams by your misinterpretation.. Why do you impose Quran ayath on us which were revealed on Mushriq? As long as you are able to prove it in a face to face debate that these ayaths, hadith and immas' quots were all revealed on us, all your arguments are blaaaaaaaaaaaa blllllllllllllllllasssss.

Don’t think that our scholars are stupid, brainless people like you. Don’t have a illusion that you salafis only have the proper knowledge of Quran, Hadith, Imams' books.

Perode Usthad has taught Husain salafi a lot about the real meaning of quran, hadith, books of imamms in nadapura. Why salafi is reluctant when he was called for face to face debate in nadapura. Is your salafi expert in back to back arguments only? Don’t say that salafi never hesitated for face to face debate. Because, we have good example in this Colum itself.

Husain salafi has taught a lot of good??? words in his nadapura arguments and Balusheri is expert in it.

As you people have requested us to listen to your gurus’ speeches, the words like Boaster, bullshit, stinking baldiya get only 10 point out of 100 as compared to the notorious, filthy words used by your stars guru in Nadapura.

Believe me, your star gurus not only destroy your life but also your hereafter.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #223 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-03
Mashaallah, Well done Abu Humaira,Fantastic answer brother for these ignorant people.
For them verses from the Quraan & Hadeeth's are baladiya(Navood Billah)Even people of Jahiliyya never said like this!what these people know about their deen?
Mr.Samiulla,Boasting,kissing hand,bowing prostating your guru's feet & likes are your culture not ours & your guru's also deserved it as they're following some other cultures.
brother Abu humaira clearly quoted from the holy quraan against your argument,Now have you got any verses from the quraan to justify your worshipping in the graves,maulood,ratheeb,Uroos,ullala nerche,kajoor nerche,belli(silver)nerche,Khuthubiyyath,naariyo salath & the list continues.....Please quote a single verse from quraan so peopel here in this forum will be convinced or accept that, all of your 'fill in the blank' here just time pass & a big lie.
ONCE AGAIN TILL THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT YOU & YOUR GODFATHERS (Perode & AP) CANNOT PRODUCE A SINGLE EVIDENCE FOR THESE ABOVE QUOTED INNOVATIONS.
This forum is absolutly free of cost so you can keep typing all your scrapes until you satisfy & dont dream that people will believe this as true.It's your foolishness & Stupidity to believe so.
So atleast this time give us an answer for our previous questions with the quraanic references or your falsehood will be perished.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #222 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
ಸಹೋದರರೇ, ಮತ್ತೊಮ್ಮೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ತವಸ್ಸುಲ್, ಇಸ್ತಿಗಾಸದ ದುರ್ವಾದಗಳನ್ನು ಕಿತ್ತೆಸೆಯುತ್ತಾ ಒಂದೆರಡು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಸೂಕ್ತಗಳನ್ನು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಬಯಸುತ್ತೇನೆ;
"ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಹೊರತಾಗಿ ಬೇರೆ ಆರಾಧ್ಯನನ್ನು ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುವವನು, ಹಾಗೆ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸಲು ಅವನಿಗೆ ಯಾವೊಂದು ಪುರಾವೆಯೂ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಅವನ ವಿಚಾರಣೆಯು ಕೇವಲ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಬಳಿಯಲ್ಲಾಗಿದೆ. ಖಂಡಿತವಾಗಿಯೂ ಅವಿಶ್ವಾಸಿಗಳು ಯಶಸ್ವಿಯಾಗಲಾರರು." (23-117 ಕುರ್ ಆನ್)
"ನೀವು ಅವರೊಂದಿಗೆ (ಅಲ್ಲಾಹೇತರರೊಂದಿಗೆ) ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸಿದರೆ ಅವರು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಯನ್ನು ಆಲಿಸಲಾರರು. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ಅವರು ಆಲಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆಂದು (ನೀವು ಭಾವಿಸಿದರೂ) ಕೂಡ ಅವರೆಂದೂ ನಿಮಗೆ ಉತ್ತರವನ್ನು ನೀಡಲಾರರು. ಮತ್ತು ಅಂತ್ಯದಿನದಂದು (ಅವರನ್ನು ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುವ ಮೂಲಕ ನೀವು ಮಾಡಿದ) ಶಿರ್ಕನ್ನು ಅವರು ನಿಷೇಧಿಸುವರು. ಸೂಕ್ಷ್ಮಜ್ಞಾನಿ(ಯಾದ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹ)ನಂತೆ ನಿನಗೆ ಬೇರೆ ಯಾರೂ (ವಿಷಯಗಳನ್ನು) ಮನದಟ್ಟು ಮಾಡಿಕೊಡಲಾರನು." ( 35-14 ಕುರ್ ಆನ್)
"ಓ ಮನುಷ್ಯರೇ, ಒಂದು ಉದಾಹರಣೆಯನ್ನು ನೀಡಲಾಗುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಅದನ್ನು ಗಮನವಿಟ್ಟು ಆಲಿಸಿರಿ. ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಹೊರತು ನೀವು ಯಾರನ್ನೆಲ್ಲಾ ಕರೆದು ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವಿರೋ ಅವರಾರೂ ಎಂದಿಗೂ ಒಂದು ನೊಣವನ್ನೂ ಸ್ರಷ್ಟಿಸಲಾರರು. ಅವರೆಲ್ಲರೂ ಅದಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಜೊತೆಗೂಡಿದರೂ ಕೂಡ. ನೊಣವು ಅವರಿಂದ ಏನನ್ನಾದರೂ ಕಿತ್ತೊಯ್ದರೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಮರಳಿ ಪಡೆಯಲೂ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ! ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುವವನು ಮತ್ತು ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸಲ್ಪಡುವವನು ಅದೆಷ್ಟು ದುರ್ಬಲರಾಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ!!" (22-73 ಕುರ್ ಆನ್)
"ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಹೊರತು ಅಂತ್ಯದಿನದವರೆಗೂ ತನಗೆ (ತನ್ನ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಗೆ)ಉತ್ತರವನ್ನು ನೀಡದವನನ್ನು ಕರೆದು ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುವವನಿಗಿಂತಲೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ದಾರಿಗೆಟ್ಟವನು ಇನ್ನಾರಿದ್ದಾನೆ? ಅವರಾದರೋ ಇವರ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಯ ಕುರಿತು ಅಜ್ಞರಾಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಮತ್ತು (ಅಂತ್ಯದಿನದಂದು) ಜನರನ್ನು ಒಟ್ಟುಗೂಡಿಸಲ್ಪಡುವಾಗ ಅವರು ಇವರಿಗೆ ಶತ್ರುಗಳಾಗುವರು ಮತ್ತು ಇವರ (ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಯೆಂಬ) ಇಬಾದತ್ತನ್ನು ಅವರು ನಿಷೇಧಿಸುವರು."(46-5, 6 ಕುರ್ ಆನ್) ಸುನ್ನಿ ಸಹೋದರರೇ, ಈಗ ಹೇಳಿ ಇನ್ನೂ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನಲ್ಲಿ ಮದ್ಯವರ್ತಿಗಳಿಲ್ಲದೆ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸಲು ಪೆರೋಡ್ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ್ ಡಿಬೇಟ್ ಮಾಡಿ ಗೆಲ್ಲುವವರೆಗೂ ಕಾಯಬೇಕೇ? ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಗ್ರಂಥ ನಿಮಗೆ ಸಾಲದೇ? ಸಹೋದರರೇ ನೀವು ಸಲಫಿಗಳಾಗಿರಿ ಎಂದು ನಾವು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿಲ್ಲ. ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ನಿಂದಹೊರಬಂದು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪರಲೋಕವನ್ನು ಕಾಯ್ದುಕೊಳ್ಳಿರಿ ಎಂದು ಮಾತ್ರ ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇವೆ. ಜಝಾಕಲ್ಲಾಹ್.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #221 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯರಿಗೆ ಮಾದರಿಯಾಗಬೇಕಾದ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯನೇ ಆಗತಕ್ಕದ್ದು ಎಂಬ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖ. ಸಹೋದರ ಇದು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸುವ ಒಂದು ವಿಷಯವಾಗಿದೆ. (ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಆಲು ಇಮ್ರಾನ್ ಅಧ್ಯಾಯದ 164 ನೇ ಸೂಕ್ತ) ಇದರಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಳುವುದೇನಂದರೆ ಮಾನವ ಸಮುದಾಯಕ್ಕೆ ಸಂದೇಶವಾಹಕನನ್ನಾಗಿ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅವರ (ಮನುಷ್ಯರ) ನಡುವಿನಿಂದಲೇ ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯೊಬ್ಬರನ್ನು ನಿಯೋಗಿಸಿದನೇ ಹೊರತು ಮಲಾಯಿಕ್ ಗಳ ಮಧ್ಯದಿಂದಲ್ಲ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಮನುಷ್ಯರೇ! ಅವರನ್ನು ಅನುಸರಿಸದೇ ಇರಲು ನಿಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿ ಕಾರಣಗಳಿಲ್ಲವೆಂದು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಮನುಷ್ಯರಿಗೆ ತಾಕೀತು ನೀಡಿರುವುದು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಲ್ಲಾಗಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಅನುವಾದ ನಿಮಗೆ ಹರಾಮ್ ಆದುದ್ದರಿಂದ ನೀವು ಇಂತಹ ಒಂದು ಆಯತ್ ಇರುವುದು ತಿಳಿದಿಲ್ಲ. ಇದರರ್ಥ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯರ ನಡುವಿನಿಂದಲೇ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯನ್ನು ಕಳುಹಿಸಿದ ಎಂದಾಗಿದೆ. ಇನ್ನು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಮತ್ತು ಸತ್ಯವಿಶ್ವಾಸಿಗಳೊಂದಿಗೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನಲ್ಲಿ ಎಂದೂ ಇಸ್ತಿಗ್ ಫಾರ್ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರಬೇಕೆಂದು ಆದೇಶಿಸುವ ಸೂಕ್ತಗಳು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಬೇಕಾದಷ್ಟು ಸ್ಥಳಗಳಲ್ಲಿದೆ. ಇದರರ್ಥ ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರು ಪಾಪ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆಂದಲ್ಲ.(ನವೂದುಬಿಲ್ಲಾಹ್) ಪ್ರವಾದಿ(ಸ.ಅ)ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಪಾಪಗಳಿಂದ ಮುಕ್ತರಾಗಿದ್ದರು. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಹೆಲ್ "ಶಬಾಬ್" ನಿಂದ ಕೆಲವೊಂದು ವಿಷಯಗಳನ್ನು ಹೆಕ್ಕಿ ಸಲಫಿಗಳನ್ನು ಗುರಿಯಾಗಿಸಿ ಟೀಕಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಬಹುಶಃ ಈ ಮಹಾಶಯನಿಗೆ "ಶಬಾಬ್ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆ" ಕೇರಳದ ಸಲಫಿ ಸಂಘಟನೆಯಿಂದ ಹೊರಹಾಕಲ್ಪಟ್ಟ ಮಡವೂರಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಸೇರಿದ್ದಾಗಿದೆ ಎಂದು ತಿಳಿದಿಲ್ಲವೆಂದು ಕಾಣುತ್ತದೆ. ಪುರೋಹಿತರು ಬರೆದು ಕೊಟ್ಟದ್ದು ಹಾಗೆಯೇ ಬಂದು ಕಂಪ್ಯೂಟರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಬರೆಯುವ ಇವರಿಗೆ ಇದು ಗೊತ್ತಾಗದು.ಶಬಾಬ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಬಂದ ವಿಷಯಗಳಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಾದ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟೀಕರಣ ನೀವು ಮಡವೂರಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೇಳಿ. ಅವರೂ ನಿಮ್ಮಂತಯೇ ಹದೀಸ್ ನಿಷೇಧಿಗಳಾಗಿರುವುದರಿಂದ ಬಹುಶಃ ನಿಮಗೆ ಅವರ ಉತ್ತರ ಸರಿ ಹೊಂದಲೂಬಹುದು. ವರದಕ್ಷಿಣೆ ಪಡೆದ ಮದುವೆಗೆ ಹೋಗುವ ಕುರಿತು ಹೇಳುವುದಾದರೆ, ಇಂತಹ ನಿಷಿದ್ದ ಮದುವೆಯಿಂದ ದೂರವಿರಬೇಕೆಂಬುವುದೇ ಸಲಫಿಗಳ ಗಟ್ಟಿ ನಿಲುವು. ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಂಶಯ ಬೇಡ. ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ ಇಂದು ಈ ವಿಷಯವನ್ನು ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಗಿಕವಾಗಿ ಜಾರಿಗೊಳಿಸಿರುವುದು ಸಲಫಿಗಳು ಮತ್ರ. ಆದರೆ ಈ ವರದಕ್ಷಿಣೆಯನ್ನು ಪೋಷಿಸಿ ಬೆಳೆಸುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪುರೋಹಿತ ಗುಂಪಾಗಿದೆ ಎಂಬುವುದು ನೀವು ಮರೆತುಬಿಟ್ಟಿರುವಂತಿದೆ.ಇನ್ನು ಪರಲೋಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಆಜ್ಞೆಯ ಪ್ರಕಾರ ಶಫಾಅತ್ ಮಾಡುವ ಅಧಿಕಾರ ಸಂದೇಶವಾಹಕರಿಗಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಈ ಶಫಾಅತ್ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಧರ್ಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಉರೂಸ್, ರಾತೀಬ್, ಕುತುಬಿಯ್ಯತ್, ವರದಕ್ಷಿಣೆ ಎಂಬ ನೂತನವಾದಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರೋತ್ಸಾಹಿಸಿದವರಿಗೆ ಮತ್ತು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹೇತರರೊಂದಿಗೆ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸುವ ಶಿರ್ಕ್ ಮಾಡಿದವರಿಗೆ ಲಭಿಸದು ಎಂಬುವುದು ಕೂಡ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖನೀಯ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #220 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
ಇನ್ನು ಮದ್ದು ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ , ಮಂತ್ರದಿಂದ ಕೂಡಾ ರೋಗ ಶಮನವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. (ಅಲ್-ಮನಾರ್ -1988 ಮಾರ್ಚ್). ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಮನಾರ್ ಸರಿಯಾಗಿಯೇ ಇದೆ. ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಸೂಕ್ತಗಳ ಮೂಲಕ ಮತ್ತು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ.ಅ)ಯವರಿಂದ ಸಹೀಹ್ ಆಗಿ ವರದಿಯಾದ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥನೆಯ ಮೂಲಕ ಮಂತ್ರಿಸುವುದು ಅನುವದನೀಯವಾಗಿದೆ. ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾರಿಗೂ ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಂಶಯ ಬೇಡ. ಆದರೆ ಇನ್ನಿತರ ರೀತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮಂತ್ರಿಸಿ. ಅದನ್ನು ಊದಿ ಕಟ್ಟುವುದು ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ವಿರೋದಿಸಿದ ಕಾರ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ. ( ಅತ್ತೌಹೀದುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ 1986, ಆಮಯೂರ್ ಮೌಲವಿ, ಪುಟ-237)ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಊದಿ ತಾಯಿತ ಕಟ್ಟುವ ವಿಷಯವನ್ನಾಗಿದೆ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿರುವುದು. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ವಿರೋಧಾಭಾಸವಿಲ್ಲ. ಆದರೆ ಸುಹೆಯ್ಲ್ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಜನರನ್ನು ಗೊಂದಲಕ್ಕೀಡಾಗಿಸಲು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರಷ್ಟೇ. ತಾಯಿತ ಕಟ್ಟುವುದು ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರಿಂದ ವಿರೋಧಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟಿದೆ. ಇನ್ನು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಆಕಾಶದ ಮೇಲೆ ಇರುವನೆಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸುವುದು,ಆ ಅರ್ಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಶಾರ ಮಾಡುವುದು ಅಹ್ಲುಸ್ಸುನ್ನದ ಆಶಯವಾಗಿದೆ. (ಫಾತಿಹಾದ ತೀರದಲ್ಲಿ –ಪುಟ -181) ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅರ್ಶನ ಮೇಲೆ ಕೂತುಕೊಂಡಿರುವೆನೆಎಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸುವುದು ತಪ್ಪು. ( ಪವಿತ್ರ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಭಾಷಾಂತರ –ಅಮಾನಿ ಮೌಲವಿ , ಭಾಗ 2-1102)ಸಹೋದರ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಎರಡು ವಾಕ್ಯವು ಯಾವುದೇ ದ್ವಂದ್ವಾರ್ಥವನ್ನು ಹೊಂದಿಲ್ಲ. ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನು ಆಕಾಶದಲ್ಲಿರುವನೆಂಬುವುದು ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಮತ್ತು ಹದೀಸ್ ಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಹಲವಾರು ಕಡೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟಿವೆ. ಇನ್ನು ಅರ್ಶ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಕೂತುಕೊಂಡಿರುವನು ಎಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸಬಾರದೆಂದಾಗಿದೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಅಮಾನಿಯವರು ಹೇಳಿರುವುದು. ನಾವು ಮನುಷ್ಯರಂತೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಕುಳಿತುಕೊಳ್ಳುವನು ಎಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸುವುದು ತಪ್ಪು, ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅವನ ಘನತೆ, ಭವ್ಯತೆಗೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಅವನ ಅರ್ಶ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ವಿರಾಜಮಾನನಾಗಿರುವನು, ಅದು ಯಾವ ರೀತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಎಂದು ನಾವು ಅರಿತಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ ಅದರ ವಿಷಯದಲ್ಲಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಸ್ವ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯ ಹೇಳಲೂ , ತರ್ಕಿಸಲೂ ಬಾರದೆಂಬುವುದಾಗಿದೆ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯದ ಅರ್ಥ. ಆದರೆ ಸಣ್ಣ ಮಕ್ಕಳಿಗೂ ಅರ್ಥ ವಾಗುವ ಈ ವಿಷಯ ಸುಹೆಯ್ಲ್ ಗೆ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗದ್ದು ಅದ್ಭುತ.ಇನ್ನು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಪರಮಾಧಿಕಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸಬೇಕೆಂದಿಲ್ಲವೆಂಬ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖ, ಇದು ವಾಕ್ಯವನ್ನು ಮರೆಮಾಚಿ ಪ್ರಚಾರಪಡಿಸುವ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಕುತಂತ್ರವಾಗಿದೆ. ಪರಮಾಧಿಕಾರ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನದ್ದೇ ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಂಶಯ ಬೇಡ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #219 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ಧರ್ಮವು ತನ್ನ ವಿಶ್ವಾಸಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಸುಲಭವಾಗಿದೆ. ಅದನ್ನು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಯಾರ್ ಗಳು ಕಠಿಣವಾಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಾನೆ; "ಅವನು ನಿಮಗೆ ಧರ್ಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ಪ್ರಯಾಸವನ್ನು ಉಂಟು ಮಾಡಿಲ್ಲ." (22-78) ಆದ್ದರಿಂದಲೇ ನಮ್ಮ ಮುತ್ತುನಬಿ(ಸ.ಅ) ಕೆಲವು ವಿರಳ ಸಂದರ್ಭಗಳಲ್ಲಿ, ಅತ್ತಾಳವುಣ್ಣುವವರಿಗೆ ಈ ರಿಯಾಯತಿಯನ್ನು ನೀಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಆದರೆ ಹದೀಸ್ ಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿರುತ್ಸಾಹರಾಗಿರುವ ನಿಮ್ಮಂತಹವರಿಗೆ ಇದು ಹೇಗೆ ತಿಳಿದೀತು? ಇನ್ನು ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವುದು ಸುನ್ನತ್ ಆಗಿದೆ ಎಂದು ಕಿತಾಬುಲ್ ಅವ್ವಲ್ ಫಿಲ್ ಅಮಲಿಯಾತ್ ಗ್ರಂಥದಲ್ಲಿದೆ ಅಲ್-ಮನಾರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸುನ್ನತ್ತಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದಿದೆಯೆಂಬ ವಾದ. ಸಹೋದರ ನೀವು ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸಬೇಡಿ ಎಂದು ನಾವು ಎಲ್ಲೂ ಹೇಳಿಲ್ಲ. ಎಷ್ಟೋ ಸಲಫಿಗಳು ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವವರಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಆದರೆ ಅದು ಸುನ್ನತ್ ಆಗಿದೆ ಎಂಬುವುದು ಸಹೀಹ್ ಆದ ಸನದ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಹದೀಸ್ ಗಳು ವರದಿಯಾಗಿಲ್ಲ. ಅದು ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿದ್ದ ಅರಬ್ ಸಂಪ್ರದಾಯದ ಒಂದು ಭಾಗವಾಗಿದೆ. ಇಂದು ಕೂಡ ಅರಬರು ಅದನ್ನು ಪಾಲಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ನೀವು ಕಾಣುತ್ತಿದ್ದೀರಿ. ಇನ್ನು ಇದನ್ನು ಹರಾಮ್ ಎಂದು ನಾವೆಲ್ಲೂ ಹೇಳಿಲ್ಲ. ನೀವು ಧಾರಾಳವಾಗಿ ಮರೆಸಿ. ನಮಗೇನು ಅಭ್ಯಂತರವಿಲ್ಲ. ಅಲ್ ಮನಾರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಇದನ್ನೇ ಆಗಿದೆ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು, ಇದು ವಿಶೇಷ ಸುನ್ನತ್ ಎಂದು ವರದಿಯಾಗಿಲ್ಲ.ಆದರೆ ನಿಮಗೆ ಸಲಫಿಗಳ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಯ ಮುಂದೆ ಉತ್ತರ ತೋಚದಾದಾಗ ಈ ಬಾಲಿಶ ವಿಷಯವನ್ನು ಕೆಣಕಿದ್ದೀರಿ.ಆದರೆ ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಸಂದೇಶವಾಹಕರು (ಸ.ಅ) ವಿಶೇಷವಾಗಿ ಆದೇಶಿಸಿದ ಮೊಣಕಾಲಿಗಿಂತ ಕೆಳಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ವಸ್ತ್ರ ಹೋಗಬಾರದೆಂಬ ಕಡ್ಡಾಯ ವಸ್ತ್ರಧಾರಣಾ ರೀತಿಯನ್ನು ಮಾತ್ರ ನೀವು ಎಲ್ಲೂ ಪಾಲಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವುದಾಗಿ ನಮಗೆ ಕಾಣುತ್ತಿಲ್ಲ. ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವುದರಲ್ಲಿ ನೀವು ತೋರುವ ಕಾಳಜಿ ಇದರಲ್ಲಿ ತೋರಿಸಿದ್ದರೆ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದಿತ್ತು. ತಬ್ ರಾನೀ ತನ್ನ "ಮುಅಜಮುಲ್ ಕಬೀರ್"(9331) ಮತ್ತು ಅಬ್ದುರ್ರಝ್ಝಾಕ್ ತನ್ನ "ಮುಸನ್ನಫ್"ನಲ್ಲಿ (2996) ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಸ್ ಊದ್(ರ.ಅ)ರಿಂದ ವರದಿ ಮಾಡಿರುತ್ತಾರೆ, ಅವರು (ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಸ್ ಊದ್) ಒಮ್ಮೆ ಸುಜೂದ್ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿಯೊಬ್ಬರ ಬಳಿಯಿಂದ ಹಾದುಹೋಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದರು. ಆ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿಯ ಕೂದಲು ಜುಟ್ಟು ಕಟ್ಟಲ್ಪಟ್ಟಿತ್ತು. ಅವರು ಅದನ್ನು ಬಿಚ್ಚಿದರು. ನಮಾಝ್ ನಿಂದ ವಿರಮಿಸಿದ ನಂತರ ಆ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿಯೊಂದಿಗೆ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಸ್ ಊದ್ ಹೇಳಿದರು, "ನೀನು ಜುಟ್ಟು ಕಟ್ಟಬಾರದು, ಯಾಕೆಂದರೆ ನಿನ್ನ ಕೂದಲು ಸುಜೂದ್ ಮಾಡುತ್ತದೆ. ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಂದು ಕೂದಲಿಗೂ ಪ್ರತಿಫಲವಿದೆ." ಆ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿ ಹೇಳಿದರು, "ಅದು ಕೆಳಕ್ಕೆ ಬೀಳದಂತೆ ನಾನದನ್ನು ಜುಟ್ಟು ಕಟ್ಟಿದ್ದೆ." ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಸ್ ಊದ್(ರ.ಅ)ಹೇಳಿದರು, "ಅದು ಕೆಳಕ್ಕೆ ಬೀಳುವುದು ನಿನಗೆ ಉತ್ತಮವಾಗಿದೆ." (ಇದನ್ನು ಇಮಾಮ್ ಶವ್ ಕಾನೀ ತನ್ನ ನೆಯ್ಲುಲ್ ಅವ್ತಾರ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ (2-696)ಸಹೀಹ್ ಎಂದಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಪ್ರವಾದಿಯವರ ನಿಕಟ ಸಹಚರರಾದ ಇಬ್ನ್ ಮಸ್ ಊದ್(ರ.ಅ)ರವರ ಈ ಘಟನೆಯ ಮೂಲಕ ನಮಗೆ ತಿಳಿದು ಬರುವುದೇನೆಂದರೆ ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವುದು ಸುನ್ನತ್ತಲ್ಲ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #218 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
ಸಹೋದರ ಸುಹೆಯ್ಲ್ ಕೆಲವೊಂದು ಹಸ್ತ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳನ್ನು ತೋರಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ. ಧನ್ಯವಾದಗಳು. ಆದರೆ ಸಹೋದರ, ತಮ್ಮ ಓಬೀರಾಯನ ಕಾಲದ ಈ ಅಪಪ್ರಚಾರಗಳನ್ನು ಇಂದಿನ ಕಾಲದ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮರು ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ಅರಿತುಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ನಾವು ನಿಮಗೆ ಕೆಲವೊಂದು ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಕೇಳಿದ್ದೆವು. ಆದರೆ ನೀವು ಅದರ ಹತ್ತಿರವೂ ಸುಳಿಯದೆ ನಿಮ್ಮಗತಿಗೇಡನ್ನು ಮರೆಮಾಚಿ, ಈ ಸಂವಾದದ ದಿಕ್ಕನ್ನು ಬದಲಾಯಿಸಲು ಕುತಂತ್ರವನ್ನು ಹೂಡಿದ್ದೀರಿ. ಏನಿದ್ದರೂ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಕುತಂತ್ರವನ್ನು ಜನರ ಮುಂದಿಡಲು ನಾವು ಬದ್ದರಾಗಿದ್ದೇವೆ. ಸಲಫಿ ಎಂಬ ಪದವನ್ನೂ ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಉಚ್ಛರಿಸಲು ಬರದ ನೀವುಗಳೆಲ್ಲ ಸಲಫುಸ್ಸಾಲಿಹೀನ್ ಗಳ ಆದರ್ಶವನ್ನು ಪುರಾವೆರಹಿತವಾಗಿ ಖಂಡಿಸಲು ಬರುವುದು ತಮಾಷೆಯೇ ಸರಿ. ರಮದಾನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಭ್ ಹಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದ ಕೂಡಲೇ ಅತ್ತಾಳ ತಿನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸಬೇಕೆಂಬುವುದು ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಮರಿಗೂ ಗೊತ್ತಿರುವ ವಿಷಯವಾಗಿದೆ.ಅದು ಸಲಫಿಗಳ ಪವಿತ್ರಸಂದೇಶದಿಂದ ನೀವು ವಿಶೇಷವಾಗಿ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಬೇಕಿಲ್ಲ. ಇನ್ನು ಅದಾನ್ ಕೊಡುವ ವೇಳೆ ತಟ್ಟೆಯು ಮುಂದಿದ್ದು ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ಅಲ್ಪ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಆಹಾರವು ಬಾಕಿ ಇದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ ಅದನ್ನು ತಿನ್ನಲು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ(ಸ.ಅ) ಅನುಮತಿಸಿರುವುದು ಸಹೀಹ್ ಆದ ಹದೀಸ್ ಗಳ ಮುಖಾಂತರ ನಿರೂಪಿಸಲ್ಪಟ್ಟಿವೆ. ಇವೆರಡನ್ನೂ ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟವಾಗಿಯೇ ವಿವರಿಸಿದೆ.ಅದು ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಂದರಲ್ಲೂ ಹುಳವನ್ನು ಹುಡುಕನೋಡುವ ನಿಮ್ಮಂತಹ ಪೂರ್ವಾನುಮಾನಪೀಡಿತರಿಗೆ ಇದು ತಿಳಿದುಬರದಿರುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ನಾವು ಜವಬ್ದಾರರಲ್ಲ. ಇನ್ನು "ತನ್ನ ಮುಂದೆ ಇದ್ದ ಫ್ಲೇಟ್ ತುಂಬಾ ಈಟಿಂಗ್ ಮಾಡಲು ಫುಲ್ ಫರ್ಮಿಶನ್ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿದೆ" ಎಂಬ ವಾಕ್ಯವು ಪವಿತ್ರಸಂದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಬಂದಿಲ್ಲ. ಅಂತಹ ಒಂದು ವಾಕ್ಯವು ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಬಂದಿದೆ ಎಂದು ನೀವು ರುಜುವಾತು ಪಡಿಸಿ. ಅಂತ್ಯದಿನದವರೆಗೂ ನಿಮಗದು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #217 , panemangalore/ kuwait2010-05-03
BROTHER SAMIULLA,Instead of giving reply to my questions you consider my questions as bla blaaaaaaas. Well, this is a big proof of your ignorance. We know that you don't know anything except following blindly whispers of your musliyars and typing in Microsoft word. That’s why still you are leaning in debate concept. You just want to runaway from us. Right? Since, you have found yourself in a difficult situation were you don’t have any proper answers; you want to divert these arrows to your perode. Because you know very well that none of among you has talent like perode to convert truth too false and vice versa. In my comment (answer) I have quoted from verses of quran,
Sayings of prophet (pbuh), and great scholars like imam navavi, ibn katheer, fakhruddin raazi .but all these references just a bla blaaaaaaas in your view. We really not wonder at all about your comment. Off course we don’t have anymore expectations from people like you who made innovations as their Deen. That's why verses of quran, sayings of prophet (pbuh) just a bla blaaaaaaas for you. You just following only the sayings of AP, Perode and likewise. Even you didn't touch my single question or any explanation. You have one routine answer" stinking Baladiya". Brother is this answer for question? I just want to tell you that " KAILAAGADAVANU MEI PARACHI KONDANTE" brother if you considering this quranic verses, and ahadith of prophet (pbuh) just a bla blaaaaaaas , than I just want to reminds you a verse in quran Allah says; "o you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allah and his messenger(pbuh), and fear Allah . Verily! Allah is all hearing, all knowing." (Soorah al hujurat:1) you said, "we have so many scholars around us to learn true teachings of Islam." From where you learnt this Boaster, bullshit, stinking Baladiya, etc.. From scholars around you. believe me this scholars destroy you life not only here. hereafter also.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #216 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-03
Mr.Maqsood,Let me ask you the same,Mr.Believer & Mr.Abu Humaira asked questions to So called Sunnis. Interesting really. No answer from Them? They tell lie always.

If dare, answer to that qustion first which we raised repeatedly, then wait for our answer.
It's very basic that Asking QUESTION TO QUESTION is not a solution, It should be ANSWER FOR QUESTION"
Know it well.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #215 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-03
Continued..

You said, when debate is need of the hour, you will let us know. For us, debate is need of the hour always as you people claim that sunni scholars are cheating innocent minds by misintrpetation of Quran, Hadith & books of imams. If you have guts, prove it on face to face but not back to back. I think, your gurus have lost your guts for the time being and when they regained it they will feel that it is the need of the hour for debate. Our sunni sholars always have the guts to face you on face to face debate. But your guurs have guts always for back to back debate to cheat innocent. This is called cowardice. What rubbish are you talking that you don’t need debates?

You said “ If we discontinue this communication, then it will be considered as your failure to produce a single proofs for mine & Abu humaira's simple questions.”

Just think if you really have brain, when you don’t want to have face to face debate with our scholars, it is your failure man.

What kind of stupid are you to utter “ Use a phone a friend option Mr, Perode Or AP”, when we have openly challenged you to come forward for live face to face debate with perode usthad. Are you scared of this?

So go & discuss with your star gurus & prepare another meaningful debate instead you people paste a lot of bla bla bla in this comment column.

Answer will follow for your new stupid arguments.

Did you forget to challenge Suhailhisam, Saudi Arabia ? Or scared of his questions?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #214 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-03
O' Beleiver,

You can satisfy yourself as long as you can, uttering loudly the way you have written below;
” we succeded in our previous debates & lot of innocent muslims benefited from it & you have failed to prevent from coming back to original source of Islam.”

The people who have attended the debates and watched CDs have realized your gurus in dept knowledge in Quran, Hadith & books of Imams. As I said earlier, people should be mad to believe that you have succceded in debates.


In EDAVATTA Debate, your star guru Swalahi treid to cheat sunni scholars by uttering false accusation on one of the Saqafis that he has wrtien offering Sujood to human being is not Haram. When our scholars, Perode usthad & Alawi Saqafi requested swalahi to hand over the same book to Mediator in order to verify the fact, it was found by verification that this saqafi was referring to the sujjood offered by Angels to ADAM (A.S) was not Haram. So, our scholars demanded to witdraw the false accusation he enforced on this saqafi. while, Your gurus were not ready for this and started to justify it by diverting the topic. As a result there was a kind of uproar that made the mediators to discontinue the debate.

I am just pasting the arguments below you have written in this comment column earlier.

“In the past wherever debate took place,disturbed by your goonda's.It's evident that when it seems you are loosing,you will use all the tools(Iblees Kuthanthra) to destabilize the healthy debate & it'll collapse.”

Give us the answers for the following ;

1. Who used here Ibless kuthantra first by simply enforcing false accusation on one of the saqafis reffering to his book when the debate was going on healthily? Is it our scholars or your gurus?

2. Who initiated disturbance so as to collapse the healthy debate?

3. What was the use of enforcing false accusation on Saqafi if you feel that sunni scholars were losing the debate?

4. How fair is it to accuse that all the debates were disturbed by goondas’ when you yourself invited the disturbance?

5. How fair is it to announce that it is evident that when it seems sunnis are loosing, they will use all the iblees kuthantra to spoil the debate, when your gurus themselves did in EDAVATTA to avoid the defeat agains Sunni scholars?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #213 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-03
O;Samiulla & co, You have no other legitamate quetion to ask,so come up with the same tactic.This's your fate man.And also this's the tactic you've adapted since years,"QUESTION FOR QUESTION" instead of "ANSWER FOR QUESTION".In almost every debate with your guru Perode this was the tactic & so you must be proud to use the same tactic. Shame on you, pose as a protector of Ahlusunnah & cheting people in the name of Islam is your bread & butter.So it tells your bravery!!People are understandig the true colour of your guru & you people.You people are not truth seeker but your minds are corrupted with arrogance,prejudice & hatread,so one can expect your frustrations.
Now we are understood very well & from the begining we were sceptical, why you are insisting for a fresh debate,It's your fake call, Even You people so scared to correct your deen with your guru's & ask any doubts with them & they are also doesnt have any pool proof answers from the authyentic sources.Then one can expect your fate.
Thanks for reminding me About your sheikuna Musliyar (Hameed Musliyar Mani ). what knid of Islamic knowledge he posesses other than stacking some kithabs in his library?Does anybody benefited from it? NO, Yeah it's true that he's collecting all these books from the wahaabees & there's no surprise that it's all halaal when it comes to fund or any other sources & you have a allergic with wahabees teachings only right?
At one point you are begging us to have a debate to know the truth and on the other side you're saying you are in the right way, If you are in a right way why need debate??.Have you got the guts to arrange perodes date with us?
So in this public forum it's better for you to answer our questions,because so many people are visiting this forum everyday & realizing the truth & Inshaallh if you dont have any answer tell us & we have so many other issues of your guru's to reveal to this public forum,so people must know the truth.
I invite Mr.Samiulla,Fazal,Abu mohammed & co take this an challenge from our side,come up with proofs(not fake paper cuttings from Perode)if you have any.Otherwise it's an total failure from you guys to satnd by your fake claims.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #212 , Puttur2010-05-02
Dear brothers,

Mr. Suhail Hisham asked questions to Salafis. Interesting really. No answer from salafis? They tell lie always.

If dare, answer to that qustione.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #211 , Madeena2010-05-02
what I see here from suhai comments ; he reffered many things from salfi books , once all okay another time it all not okay ? what a wrongs !!!!
how they wrote that can eat the food after subhi Azan in Ramadhan ? they wrote aslo about our beloved prophet (please be upon him)he is common man ? it is very helped me to understand the facts
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #210 , Saudi Arabia2010-05-02
Dear Salfi
Here some newly emerged farce while salpi continuing comments ,
If you've any proof please pass it to me where Hussain Salfi himself or any other salafi sholars say or propagated against Quraan or Sunnah? instead of saying, they said it here & they said it there.This's just an bunch of allegations against these scholars to promote Perode & groups version of Islam & misintrepretati ons.
So I taking chanllnage here for providing their wrongs and false teachings but these salfi poor guys never know anything, please read and with references from their own publications, some samples
ರಮದಾನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಭ್ ಹಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದ ಕೂಡಲೇ ಅತ್ತಾಳ ತಿನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸಬೇಕು ( ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳ ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶ -2007) ರಮದಾನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸುಭ್ ಹಿ ಅದ್ಸಾನ್ ಕೇಳಿದರೆ ತಿನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ನಿಲ್ಲಿಸದೇ ತನ್ನ ಮುಂದೆ ಇದ್ದ ಫ್ಲೇಟ್ ತುಂಬಾ ಈಟಿಂಗ್ ಮಾಡಲು ಫುಲ್ ಫರ್ಮಿಶನ್ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿದೆ (( ಸಲ್ಪಿಗಳ ಪವಿತ್ರ ಸಂದೇಶ -2008) ನೋಡಿರಿ.


• ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವುದು ಸುನ್ನತ್ತಾಗಿದೆ ( ಕಿತಾಬುಲ್ ಅವ್ವಲ್ ಫಿಲ್ ಅಮಲಿಯಾತ್ 1974 ಪುಟ ೧೩)
o ತಲೆ ಮರೆಸುವುದು ಸುನ್ನತ್ತಿಲ್ಲ ( ಅಲ್-ಮನಾರ್ – ಸಂಪುಟ 2, ಸಂಚಿಕೆ-17,18 )
• ಮದ್ದು ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ , ಮಂತ್ರದಿಂದ ಕೂಡಾ ರೋಗ ಶಮನವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. (ಅಲ್-ಮನಾರ್ -1988 ಮಾರ್ಚ್)
o ಮಂತ್ರಿಸುವುದು ಅದನ್ನು ಊದಿ ಕಟ್ಟುವುದು ಇಸ್ಲಾಮ್ ವಿರೋದಿಸಿದ ಕಾರ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ. ( ಅತ್ತೌಹೀದುಲ್ ಮುಸ್ತಖೀಮ್ 1986, ಆಮಯೂರ್ ಮೌಲವಿ, ಪುಟ-237)


ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಆಕಾಶದ ಮೇಲೆ ಇರುವನೆಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸುವುದು,ಆ ಅರ್ಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಶಾರ ಮಾಡುವುದು ಅಹ್ಲುಸ್ಸುನ್ನದ ಆಶಯವಾಗಿದೆ.
(ಫಾತಿಹಾದ ತೀರದಲ್ಲಿ –ಪುಟ -181)
ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಅರ್ಶನ ಮೇಲೆ ಕೂತುಕೊಂಡಿರುವೆನೆಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸುವುದು ತಪ್ಪು. ( ಪವಿತ್ರ ಕುರ್ ಆನ್ ಭಾಷಾಂತರ –ಅಮಾನಿ ಮೌಲವಿ , ಭಾಗ 2-1102)

ಅಲ್ಲಾಹನ ಪರಮಾಧಿಕಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ವಿಶ್ವಸಿಸಬೇಕೆಂದಿಲ್ಲ .
( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ,–ಜುಲೈ 3, 1987)

ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಪರಮಾಧಿಕಾರಿ, ಸೃಷ್ಟಿಕರ್ತನು ಮತ್ತು ಅನ್ನದಾತನೂ ಆಗಿದ್ದಾನೆಂದು ವಿಶ್ವಾಸವಿರಿಸತಕ್ಕದ್ದು. ( ಸಲ್ ಸಬೀಲ್ -1984 ಫೆಬ್ರುವರಿ-4)

ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯರಿಗೆ ಮಾದರಿಯಾಗಬೇಕಾದ ಪ್ರವಾದಿ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯನೇ ಆಗತಕ್ಕದ್ದು. ( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ 1988,ಫೆಬ್ರುವರಿ-12 ಫುಟ-9)
ಪ್ರವಾದಿ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಮನುಷ್ಯನೆಂದು ಹೇಳುವುದು ಖಂಡಿತಾ ಅಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ. (ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ 1990 ಜನವರಿ-26 ,ಪುಟ-4)

ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರು ಪಾಪ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದರು ,ಪಾಪ ಮೋಕ್ಷಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರಾರ್ಥಿಸಲು ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ರವರೊಡನೆ ಕಲ್ಪಿಸಿದ್ದನು
ಸಲಪಿಗಳ ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ ( 1988 ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ 28) ಪ್ರವಾದಿ ಗಳಿಗೆ ಪಾಪಗಳಿಂದ ಇಶ್ ಮತ್ ( ರಕ್ಷಣೆ) ಯಿದೆ
( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ 1990 ಜನವರಿ 26)
ಧಾನ ಧರ್ಮಗಳು ಮಯ್ಯಿತ್ ಗೆ ಉಪಕರಿಸುವುದೆಂದು ಸಾಬೀತಾದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣಗಳಿಲ್ಲ ( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ 1987,ಆಗಸ್ಟ್ 8, ಪುಟ-4)
ಮೃತ ಹೊಂದಿದ ತಾಯಿಗೆ ದಾನ ಮಾಡಲು ಪ್ರವಾದಿ (ಸ) ಆಜ್ಞಾಪಿಸಿದರು
ವರದಕ್ಷಿಣೆ ತೆಗೆದ ವಿವಾಹಕ್ಕೆ ಭಾಗವಹಿಸಬಾರದು ( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ-1988 ಸಪ್ಟೆಂಬರ್ -23)
ವರದಕ್ಷಿಣೆ ತೆಗೆದ ವಿವಾಹ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಭಾಗವಹಿಸುವುದನ್ನು ಕೇರಳ ನದ್ವತುಲ್ ಮುಜಾಹಿದೀನ್ (KNM) ತಡೆದಿಲ್ಲ ( ಶಬಾಬ್ ವಾರಪತ್ರಿಕೆ 1988 ನವಂಬರ್ 4, ಪುಟ/10)
ನಬಿ (ಸ) ರವರಿಗೆ ಕೂಡಾ ಶಫಾಹತ್ ಮಾಡುವ ಅಧಿಕಾರವಿಲ್ಲ
(ಸಂಶಯ ನಿವಾರಣೆ : ಪುಟ -2)
ಅಲ್ಲಾಹು ಇಷ್ಟಪಟ್ಟ ಜನರಿಗೆ ಶಪಾಹತ್ ನ ಅಧಿಕಾರವಿದೆ (ಅಲ್-ಮುರ್ಶಿದ್ ಮಾಸಿಕ )
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #209 , Jubail , KSA2010-05-02
Continued

What else local Musliyar (Hameed Musliyar Mani ?) can label you, when you have asked the same questions posed by Wahhabis. There is no surprise if he has told you to avoid Salafis as they are good at brainwashing innocent minds.

We never to want to refer to the site you suggest as we have so many scholars around us to learn true teachings of Islam.

What do you mean by there are so many correct practicing Muslims around world without conducting debate? Do you mean LAKUM DEEN KUM VALIYA DEEN?

As we are professional & matured and living in a advanced era technology, we are well convinced that our path is right & yours is utterly fake.

Last question, Why do you restrict yourself for further debates If you have really won????????????????????????????
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #208 , Jubail , KSA2010-05-02
O' Beleiver

We have learnt from previous debates that your gurus have tried a lot to win the debate through cheating, stealing, hiding and false accusations. Now, you don’t have to let us know the reason you don’t want further debates. It is well understood by your arguments that you are scared whether this will work out this time or not as we would like to have the debate -“face to face like Nikah with full media glare and with also police protection if anyone fears for their safety. (Abu Humaira has misunderstood that we are going to force Husain Salafi for another marriage.) Don’t get tense , Abu Humaira.

You still boast your gurus and you have in depth knowledge of Quran, Hadith & Books of Imams. Moreover, you must be as good as scholar by learning Quran, Hadith & Imams books’ by yourself. You can prove your proficiency too by joining your gurus in a face to face debate.( If you can ).
Once your proficiency is proved in Quran, Hadith and Imams books we can think of continuing arguments with you via comments. Otherwise it is as good as trying to erect the dog’s tail.

Your reply is for our call for face to face debate is…… "WE HAD A DEBATE WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS & NOT ACCEPTED THE TRUTH" OR "THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME PROOFLESS ANSWERS IN THE FUTURE ALSO".

Our simple question is why don’t you try until you succeed if you are a real transmitter of tawheed. It is not the nature of real & true scholars to avoid the face to face debate even if there are hundreds of debate every year. Just count, how many debates you had with our scholars.

You said the below
.” If you've any proof please pass it to me where Hussain Salfi himself or any other salafi sholars say or propagated against Quraan or Sunnah? instead of saying, they said it here & they said it there.This's just an bunch of allegations against these scholars to promote Perode & groups version of Islam & misintrepretati ons.’’

If we provide proof, you will definitely say and have said that it is fake CDs. That is why, we have come to conclusion that let us have debate in order to prove all these things as well in the face to face debate like Nikah style and it will not give any chance for deletion, addition, cheating, false accusation etc. Did you agree for this debate?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #207 , Saudi Arabia2010-05-02
Brothers think that are you all fit to make judgment about the Islam religion, first you all should earn knowledge, you have to spend more efforts and years with a well qualified scholars ,
Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (Quran).
So ask of those who know the Scripture if you know not. (Quran)
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #206 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-02
O’ Samiulla,

Yes Alhamdulillah we succeded in our previous debates & lot of innocent Muslims benefited from it & you've failed to prevent people from coming back to original sources of Islam , Thanks We don’t want any feathers to our cap, it's already filled & also we are not doing it to get a feather as you guys do. We've proved that your scholars’ arguments are wrong in such a wide debate.Inshaallah when we see the debates are need of the hour again,definately we will arrange for it & will let you know.What rubbish you are talking that you need face to face debate?All the previous debates took place face to face not back to back,know it well.
Now scholar level debates are taking place at variuos places & time,But if you have a little knowledge about Islam then answer all of my questions one by one instead of screaming for nothing, And this argument must continue to know other people in this forum about who's right & who's wrong.
If you discontinue this communication then it will be considered as your failure to produce a single proofs for mine & Abu humaira's simple questions & also it means you've given up in your innovated arguments.If you needed any life line,use phone a friend option Mr.Perode or AP.
So go & discuss with your group & prepare another meaning less bla bla bla & paste it on CD.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #205 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-02
Abu Humaira,

Where were you all these days?. O’ sorry, you must have been busy with typing bla blaaaaaaas. Anymore bla blaaas are left to post.

Do you think that your bla blaas are a solution to cancel the debate with our scholars? Don’t try to save Believer by diverting the topic by your bullshit arguments? It may only help him to breathe well and relieve from suffocation. You are a one more boaster like the believer without cerebral to think.

It is easy for you to justify your stand and make the people believe that your arguments are right. But, you will face the real test when you were put forward for face to face arguments to prove that your arguments are right. If you are reluctant to come forward for such things, people should be mad to believe that you are right.

So, do you think that we are mad to listen to your nonsense argument. Therefore, O’ Abu Humaira, your long stupid theory has been thrown to stinking Baladiya, as there is no other suitable place for it.

If you dare, get your gurus ready for face-to-face debate with our scholars. That is what we need now. No more filthy arguments is required from your side.

O’ Believer,

You Said, You have succeeded in Face to face debate. Why don’t you use this opportunity also to add one more feather to the cap of your success? If you will be able to prove that our scholars’ arguments are wrong in such a wide debate, it will be a great occasion for ignorant people to decide who is really right.

If you are ready for face to face debate. Let us know clearly. If still not willing, what is the use of continuing arguments via comments? Does it give us any good result? It is better to leave you alone and let the thinking people decide who is retreating from face to face Debate. This will be a good proof for us if any salafi in future boasts that our sunni scholars are reluctant for face to face debate.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #204 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-02
Continues....
Further to your reply, Offcourse you will stay confused as long as you dont study the Islam's great scholars teachings independently.However as i told you earlier & would like to make it sure for you that we dont follow Hussain Salfi or anyone blindly without checking the authenticity of it. If you've any proof please pass it to me where Hussain Salfi himself or any other salafi sholars say or propagated against Quraan or Sunnah? instead of saying, they said it here & they said it there.This's just an bunch of allegations against these scholars to promote Perode & groups version of Islam & misintrepretations.
For instance in my case, when i used to have arguement like you earlier i straight away went to the local musliyar to make sure whether i'm doing right or wrong,immediately after I convey the story to your musliyar, he gave me a label of wahhabee, so in many cases it's been happening,instead of showing us from the sahee hadeeth or intrepretation of quraan,these musliyars simply saying us to avoid salafi's.WHY? If they're in right path & really care about our community, it's their responsiblity to show us the proof instead of ignoring the importance of the doubts in our mind.
So, I refer you to islamqa.com or troid.org to study more about Authentic Islam & Way of our beloved Prophet(SWS).
And also dont think that if only because of debates people are making correction in their deen.NO. There's so many correct practicing muslims around the world without conducting a debate or arguing with others to know their deen.Today we're living in a era of advanced technology, so you are saying that you are a professional & matured,then dont delay take a search trip about true Islam then you will know who's right & who's wrong.
Before i conclude, this's my sincere appeal to you brothers,we dont have any enmity with you guys & we never had any personal agenda either,So come back to right path of islam,which practiced by our beloved prophet (SWS) & his predecessors.
ONLY OUR INTENTION IS TO BRING PEOPELE OUT FROM THE CLUTCHES OF GROUP OF SO CALLED KERALA MUSLIYARS & FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT.
May Almighty Allah give us healthy heart to know & study his deen.AAMEEN
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #203 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-02
Mr.Abu Mohammed,what you mean dont distract from the subject?Infact it's you've distracted from our simple questions which we posed to you.We never distract from the subject nor will distract from it.If you are very interested in further debates then first let me know what you've learnt from the previous debates between perode-Zakariya swalahi, Perode-Haneef kayakodi?Then i will let you know why we dont want further debates it doesnt mean that we dont want any debates & also if we're not in the right path we couldn't have agreed for the previous debates itself.So atleast answer my previous simple questions first, then we can take this discussion further instead of only forcing us to have a Debate Debate Debate.And you said that "Neither we nor you owe any reply to each other in this column any longer. Rather, the Ulemas of both groups owe replies to their followers if anything wrong is being practiced in the name of Islam Deen" Yes i can understand your situation from your statement that here where you owe everything depend to your leaders instead of learning yourself.
Again you said No more arguments. Need a “WE ARE READY FOR FACE TO FACE DEBATE” or “WE ARE NOT READY FOR FACE TO FACE” reply.
sO,My reply is "WE HAD A DEBATE WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS & NOT ACCEPTED THE TRUTH" OR "THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME PROOFLESS ANSWERS IN THE FUTURE ALSO"
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #202 , Mangalore2010-05-01
Mr. Believer & Abu Humaira

Don’t try to distract us from the subject. I am a professional and matured enough to understand your deceit. You and your below arguments are a perfect example of the style of argument of Salafis; confuse if you cannot convince. We are challenging the entire Salafi Moulavis to be ready for a face to face debate and you are talking about something else. Neither we nor you owe any reply to each other in this column any longer. Rather, the Ulemas of both groups owe replies to their followers if anything wrong is being practiced in the name of Islam Deen. Therefore, is it not logical to leave the matter to the Ulemas to decide and come up with what is right and what is wrong?

If Perode Ustad and other Sunni Musliyars are teaching something of their own in the name of Islam, definitely they owe a reply to Sunnis and so does Salafi Moulais to Salafis. Therefore, please get your Hussain Salafi for a face to face healthy discussion.

We Sunnis believe in Qur’an and Sunna, not Perode or any one, and if we have an iota of doubt about what our Sunni Ulemas teach, we not only disregard them, but discard them. No blind following at all. THAT IS THE REASON SO COURAGEOUSLY WE CALL FOR A HEALTHY FACE TO FACE DEBATE. Let the truth prevail.

No more arguments. Need a “WE ARE READY FOR FACE TO FACE DEBATE” or “WE ARE NOT READY FOR FACE TO FACE” reply.

Let people understand the HOLLOWNESS of Salafism, the new faith you have embraced.

No need to discuss the loftiness of Sheikh Ibn Abdulwahhab by ourselves. The debate will reveal the true colours of every scholars.

IF YOU BROTHERS ARE REALLY SEEKERS OF TRUTH, LEAVE ASIDE YOUR PREJUDICED VIEWS ABOUT OTHERS. HAVE I USED ANY DEROGATORY WORDS ABOUT YOUR HUSSAIN SALAFI OR OTHERS. WE DON’T GET FRUSTRATED EVEN IF YOU CALL ALL SUNNIS “KAAFIR”, WHY ONLY PERODE A LIAR. BECAUSE, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO CALLS WHO WHAT, ULTIMATELY, TRUTH SHOULD PREVAIL.

I HAVE EXPLAINED UMPTEEN TIMES BELOW AS TO WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A FACE TO FACE DEBATE. JUST TO DECIDE THE TRUTH. IF YOU PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT UPHOLDING QUR’AN AND SUNNA, YOU SHOULD COME FORWARD AND GET HUSSAIN SALAFI FOR A FACE TO FACE DEBATE.

ABU HUMAIRA AND BELIEVER WROTE A LOT TO VENT THEIR FRUSTRATION. WHAT WAS THE USE; IT ONLY FILLED THE SPACE IN THE COMMENTS COLUMN. WE MUSLIMS HAVE ENOUGH JUSTIFICATIONS TO REJECT WHAT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGION WRITE ABOUT ISLAM.

AGAIN, No more arguments. Need a “WE ARE READY FOR FACE TO FACE DEBATE” or “WE ARE NOT READY FOR FACE TO FACE” reply. IF YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT READY FOR FACE TO DEBATE, FROM MY SIDE I CONCLUDE THIS FUTILE ARGUMENTS.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #201 , Mangalore2010-05-01
Breaking News!!! Now Mr.Samiulla,Abu Mohammed & group tell me why Karnataka Home Minister went to Nellikunje Thangal Uppappa Dargah, Kasargod,i hope with perode's blessings he's been there. Shame man shame on you people.Acting like a protector of Ahlu Sunnah Wal jamaah & it's been revealed your original nature.Alhamdulillah!! All shown this to you people at the spot.Tit for tat!!Now dont argue with me some salafi's are involved in his visit.Have you got any more comments to post??Welcome Inshaallah we will rebutt you all of your replies from the authentic sources.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #200 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-01
Mr.Samiulla, Dont try to dominate me & you will not succeed in that.Arranging a debate is not a issue as long as we're concerned, more importantly accepting the truth is pretty much important if you want to correct your deen. Tell me what's the use of again arranging the debate if you people are so reluctunt in your arguements.If your perode & group are so confident in their presentations then there should'nt be any changes in your way of life since its inception in to Islam But your Mullahs made many changes in the recent times in you people's deeni activities after some of the Indian Salafi scholars entering into the fray particularly in Kerala & South kanara,they made you people to change so many thing in deeni matters Alhamdulillah.Tell me why these changes?If you really need the list i can produce,but the question is will you guys accept it? some 5-6 years ago something was haraam & nowadays it's Halaal!! WHY? WHY? WHY? Clarify with your Guru Perode, I dont think you got dare to ask him, because you people are so scared to ask any of your mullah's right?So there we go, here's the problem.My freind atleast for the sake of your goodness question them instead of just inheriting all the stuffs from them without checking the authentication.
See freind we've fear of Almighty Allah to lie in deeni matters.If you think Perode & AP ostad only finder & protector of Islam then it's your problem,we dont believe in that theory as we dont believe in big bang theory & from all of you guys comments here it's also evident that all of your deeni acts are in the hands of Perode,let me see how long you will depend to Perode.
However being a muslims it's our duty to convey the true message of Islam to others without forcing anyone to join salafi's or so & not neccessarily one has to change his group name as long as he's representing his correct aqueeda which we do, as i said earlier in my reply to you,we do not believe in numbers as Hindu's are more than you people in India if you count by majority & majority of Indian,Pakistan & Bangladesh muslims(name sake) are believe & asking in the graves which you people are justifying without any proof.
So do a research on Islam to find out the truth & there are so many Islamic scholars around the world devouting their life to spread the true message of Islam & root out & get rid of Shirk & Bid'aa which's taking place in India also.
Before i conclude, again i advise you dont say that it's foolish & nonesence comment. I know your situation & please take it as your brothers advise if you are a clean hearted person.May Almighty Allah guide all of us in his right path.AAMEEN
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #199 , KUNDUNGAL2010-05-01
May Allah bless him with good health and long life May Allah fulfil all his desires--- Ameen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #198 , Jubail, KSA2010-05-01
O’ Believer,

You proved your gurus’ incapability for face-to-face debate with our scholars. What a pity? Stop boasting and writing foolish & nonsense arguments. How stupid it is to say that it is our frustration. Of course, something is wrong with your cerebral. If you are mentally sound, you wouldn’t have written like this …. “This is not new to see your frustration with your rubbish & scrap justification for shirk & bidaa.”

You said, Your further arguments are as good as things in stinking Baladiya tin. Why did you not cut and paste my further sentence, which says “As long as you agree for the face to face debate the way we are looking for”. What a kind of person are you? What a cowardice you are.

We are calling your gurus for a face face debate Man. Come on Man to prove our arguments are false and baseless. Where has your gurus in depth knowledge in Quran & Hadith gone now? It is not to keep locked inside. Please come forward and teach & prove us based on Quran & Hadith & Books of Imams that we sunnis are following Shirk and Bidaa.

Please don’t neglect it if you & your gurus really have any knowledge of Islam Deen.

We don’t need to learn anything from you. Just accept our call for face-to-face debate if your gurus are really true scholars.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #197 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
continued....
Mr. Abu mohammad very much bothered about believer’s comment about perode that he is liar. Brother, a person who says that hajj is an international uroos, long beard which is sunnah of prophet(pbuh) is like paint brush, then what we can call him? And please don’t compare your heretic ap and perode to great imams. You may forgot that your mahaan sheikuna ap took 5 crore rupees loan (intrest) from a bank in kerala some years ago. For establishing a medical college. Under the name of kamaliya education trust. And do you know how he applied for loan in bank? He kept markaz complex’s documents in bank as guaranty. We have evidence for that. This is your musliyars. They are indulging even in ribaa. (Interest). Which is very strongly opposed by our deen. We have lots of similar incidents. But we don’t want to follow your way. This just a hint. Further will come insha allah. And mr abumuhammad, you want to debate abot taraweeh raka’ths and juma adhaans, right? Brother you should repair your aqeedah (creed) first. Which is basic fundamental of sahada. We will debate on first about your deviated aqeedah. Otherwise it would be like a building without foundation. Since your aqeedah itself corrupted very much it doesn’t matter whether you’re praying 20 or 28 or 56. It’s just bubbles of water. Do that first, and then come to debate with salafis. This shows your ignorance about Allah's deen. Allah says in the Quran -"Do they seek other than the religion of Allah, while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall all they be returned" (Quran 3:83). Just don’t claim that ,we are ahlu sunnah. do believe in Allah’s attributes fully my brother, as Ibn katheer wrote - "Therefore, the faithful believer submits to Allah in heart and body, while the disbeliever unwillingly submits to Him in body only, since he is under Allah's power, irresistible control and mighty kinship that cannot be repelled or resisted" dear brothers leave this bid’ath. Sufyan atthawri (rahimahullah) said, “ bidah is dearer to shytan than sin, for, one may repent from sin, but not from bidah.” Brother you are arguing this much for tawassul and istighasa, right? I will show you an verse in Quran; “whoever trusts in Allah, will find him sufficient. Verily, Allah will accomplish his purpose.” (soora attalaq:3) may Allah show you the sirathe mustaqeem. Amen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #196 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
continued....
When you knew that Husain salafi will coming to panemangalore, you reached Karnataka high court to stop him. Now you want to debate with salafi. Do you have dare to face him. And you want full media glare also? Its alredy media given to you. for your ullala jaatre! “There should not be any time limitations and discussions should continue until the right and wrong side are decided” ha ha-ha, brother, fight between truth and falsehoods will be continue until the day end. And trough this discussions, heart sealed people like you, will not going understand. Even until the day end. And right and wrong side decided thousands of years back when Adam(as) came to this earth. But only you peoples are in doubt. Because you are with ap and perode. And your suggestion “Both side shall bring any number Kitabs” brother, salafis don’t have much more kitabs, except Allah’s Quran and messengers’(pbuh) true ahadith. I think you also decreased some kitabs! 4 months back your alawi saqafi announced that they do withdraw all false mawloods except 5. Insha allah in future you will withdraw that remain also. Mr samiulla quote this comments as blamegame. For samiullah it is. For us we didn’t blame anyone except exposing truth. Now mr samiullah have full josh! To arrange a debate. Did this poor guy watch previous debates or no? I am sure he didn’t. Because if he watch that once he will not sleep well. I think from last 1 week he tired lot. He just want to run away from believer. That’s why he shouting ‘debate, debate”, he just want to came out from this dilemma, as soon as possible. Then he would say with a long breath, “BADUKIDEYA BADA JEEVAVE.’
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #195 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
continued...
Now brother, think deeply! Do you need any ilaah beside allah. Fakhrudin Ar-Razi in the Tafsir of Yunus :verse 18 ,mentioned different sayings of scholars about how the Mushriks took idols as intermediary towards Allah, and he mentioned in fourth explanation: “They built these statues and idols upon the forms of their Prophets and leaders (Akabir), and they believed that when they would worship these idols, then these leaders (Akabir) would become intercessors for them in front of Allah. And what is similar to this in our times is the veneration (ta’zeem) of a lot of people among the creation of the graves of their leaders (Akabir), with the belief that if they venerate their graves, then they (leaders) will be intercessors for them in front of Allah.”After quoting this explanation of scholars explaining how Mushriks worshiped these saints by seeking intercession from their idols, Fakhr Ar-Razi clearly linked this idol worship to grave worship present in his time and also in ours. This is stand of your perode’s favorite raazi(rahimahilaah). Now where you would bring the reference from imams of madhab? Fakhr Ar-Razi wrote in Tafsir: “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him” by establishing a partner for Him in worship (Ma’budiyah), the Arabs would say in their Talbiyah “Labayka, You do not have a partner except a partner that belongs to You and he does not possess” and the people of Makkah would say: “Allah alone is our Lord, He has no partner and the angels are His daughters, so they did not do Tawhid rather were polytheists, and the idolaters would say: “Allah alone is our Lord and the idols are His partners in deserving worship.” Now tell me who are in jahalth? Now abu Muhammad saying, “. Now we do not need debates like Nadapuram.” Alhamdulillah. This people scaring verymuch in the name of nadapuram. Now this poor guy suggested some new kind of debate. Where this samiullah and abumuhammad was lived until this day. In moon? Or in some other planet? Oh brothers ,lots of debates already took place.where you was? And Alhamdulillah peoples now understanding a lot. Now you are inviting us to debate? Where you was when 2 sheduled debates (one in balusseri other one in Mangalore) was cancelled by your musliyars for silly reasons. Do you have guts to arrange a debate in your Saudi. Just call your perode. Let’s see whats the answer. Now you want to bring perode and Husain salafi to niqah table? No thanks, Husain salafi already married. And what? “Hundreds of other Ustads, Moulavis and others from both sides as audiences.” Who is this audiences? Hooligans! Yes they are. They must be there for you. Because in climax when your musliyars find themselves in a big dilemma, they will put their villain entry. We have lots of experience. If you want, we will provide you the cds of your musliyars climax fight.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #194 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
Here is one more stupid ness, this qurafis typed, “As per husain salafi is abujahl and makka musriks are belivers as s our strong beliver Mangalore. Look his own original CD he glorify the abujhal.” This qurafis doesn’t know that abujahl had better belief then this quraafis. Quran states here; “Say: "Whose is the earth and whosoever is therein? If you know!"
They will say: "It is Allah’s!" Say: "Will you not then remember?"
Say: "Who is (the) Lord of the seven heavens, and (the) Lord of the Great Throne?"
They will say: "Allah." Say: "Will you not then fear Allah (believe in His Oneness, obey Him, believe in the Resurrection and Recompense for each and every good or bad deed)."
Say "In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against Whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know."
They will say: "(All that belongs) to Allah." Say: "How then are you deceived and turn away from the truth?"” (Muminun : 84-89) now please don’t say that we did copy, paste. Yes we copied from Quran. Not like your red and yellow Calicut markaz books. But we know that you will not going to accept even quranic verses. Because quran says; “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him” (Yusuf : 106) this socalled “sunnis”? usually mockerying the word salafiyyah due to their ignorance. Brother did you know from where this routword comes? It comes salafu ssaaliheen, Yes salfu ssaliheen. Not from nude, dirty soofis. Now this abu mohammad want to pull great scholers of fiqh and madhab to his shirk routed deviant path. He claimed that he can bring proof that imams of madhabs, imam navavi, shaikul islam ibn taimiya sheikh jeelani..and other salafs did shirk and bid’a. navoodubillah! Until yaumul qiyamah mr. abumohammad you can’t bring any proof that they indulged in shirk. See what imam navavi (rahimahullah) in his Sharh Muslim quoted the words of Ash-Shafi’i v 7 p 24, Janaiz Bab 32 and “Majmu’” v 5 p 298: “I have seen among the rulers some who destroyed what was built upon graves and I have not seen the Fuqaha blaming this.” Brother just doesn't follow the whispers of you musliyars. Read authentic books.
Allah (Ta’ala) said: It is Allah Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.
Have they taken others as intercessors besides Allah? Say: "Even if they have power over nothing whatever and have no intelligence?" Say: "To Allah belongs all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and then to Him you shall be brought back." (Zumar 42-44)
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #193 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
Brother if you are an Indian citizen you must know that India is a secular, democratic country. Where each and every person can practice and follow his beliefs. But you people with support of your musliyars tried first very hard to stop the programme with help of goondas. Then reached even to Karnataka high court. This is the high court, which given permission for programme. And as a home minister, its duty of mr acharya to provide security to each and every citizen of Karnataka. This help came from our one and only ilaah Allah. Simply your Jealousy not worked here. (Buri nazarawale tera muh kaala) And regarding to your comment that, “people who are living peacefully”. Yes Muslims of Nandavara lived very peacefully in nandavar. even until 1 year after inauguration of salafi masjid. But it’s the state president of your “Sarva Sthaladalli Fitna” organaisation who put poison in peace. He is Saafi sa’di nandavara, a musliyar turned real estate businessman. And majority of locals know very well his character. A normal musliyar, how he become a rich real estate businessman after a tour of UAE for an orphanage funding. You MR. SAMIULLA, Gudinabali must know this. Because you are local there.
You people are become very much emotional regarding to grave. One Mr. suhailhisam typed some old “vedavaakyagalu”. Which salethur aboobakar faizi raised first in his book “shaitaana kombu”. Thanks to Allah almighty for, Allah exposed truth through salethur aboobakar faizi himself. Allah has asking a question to these grave worshippers “And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!” (Yunus: 18) now Mr. suhailhisam, do you need any very high qabr? May Allah give you hidaya. Now when we raised questions about their heretic musliyars, they are saying that, “we Sunnis will not hesitate to question Perode” how funny! Do this people have any daring, to question their arrogant musliyars? Other then following what they were ordered. One more allegation against salafis is here ,”Yes we know salfi ideology is that salfi Allah has same kuffar’s god . He has hand, fingers , legs , sitting going” this poor guy doesn’t know Quran, except routine weekly Friday night 7 pm yaseen. Brother, salafis didn’t add anything other then what allah quoted in quran. But what you “sunnis”! believing? Its same “SHANKARACHARYA’S ADVEYTA SIDDANTA’. Which believes that god is everywhere. He is in statue, idols, stones, trees and even in ant dirty places. (navoodubillah). shame on you guys. La’anat to your baseless belief.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #192 , panemangalore, kuwait2010-05-01
My heartful sympathy with MR. SAMIULLA. This innocent brother really trying very hard to save their sinking tradition. Brother samiulla very much confused. First he started with AP. Then jumped to husain salafi and then zakariya swalahi now he very much effected by jinn. At last his elder brother Mr. Abu Mohammed, Mangalore come forward to save him from this dilemma. Now I think MR. SAMIULLA breathed well. This ignorant brother said that “Uroos, Maulid, Rathib are all part of Islam. Whereas, Ibn Wahhab’s arrival with some new baseless arguments brought insurgence in the Muslim umma.” And you know what is the proof in Islam for uroos? Proof is HAJJ. Yes! As per his perode musliyar. In nadapuram, when Husain salafi asked perod to produce the proof for uroos, you know what he said, “haven’t you seen hajj. Hajj ia an INTERNATIONAL UROOS.” This is perode. And this is their proof in Islam for uroos. throughout the argument when this people realised that it’s really hard to stand with ap and perode, now they diverted their route to Ibn Hajr ul Asqalani, Imam Ghazzali, Imam Suyuthi, Imam Ibn Haharul Haithami and many others. MR. SAMIULLA’s one more blame is that, salafis invited Karnataka home minister to nandavara. Do this poor brother read any news paper or no? Brother do you want the news paper cuttings of the advertisement of kajoor and ullala uroos, where Mr., vs acharya, nalin kumar, Krishna palemar, nagaraja shetty’s are been invited for uroos program. And I am sure this uroos not conducted by salafis. it is like “namma maneya dosege tootilla.” he is an home minister of the state. Whether you accept it or not you should recognise him as home minister of the state. And regarding to the ban for the programme. We know very well that you so-called “sunnis” following the same way which quraish of makkah followed 1450 years back. Where they banned prophet (pbhu), his family and companions. makkah quraish out casted them from makka to vaadi abitaalib. Still the enemies of tauheed following same tactics. Since you don’t have any ideology but intolerance.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #191 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-01
Mr.Abu Mohammed,Samiullah & Fazal you never even touched my previous question regarding some wrong doings of your Ostads so my questions still remain intact unanswered.
So you've written so much about Wahabbees, learn who's Muhammed bin abdulwahab first not from your musliyars version, instead learn it from authentic sources if you are really a truth seeker.
People use this word wahabi to refer to those who believe in the message of Sheikh Muhammad bin abduAlwahab may Allah be pleased with him who called to nothing but Islam.

The sheikh, one of the greatest personalities in the Islamic history, brought people in Arabia out of darkness into light. But like all great people who bring goodness to this world, he had enemies.

His enemies were against him because he called people who practiced acts of bida’a to return to Islam, the true call of Islam. And that is worshiping Allah alone without associating any partners in His worship. And since they could not prove the sheikh’s call wrong, the label wahabi came into existence to create confusion and more hate against the Sheikh.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him): “If you ask, then ask of Allah, and if you seek help then seek help from Allah.”

One of the acts which go against Islam, that people practiced at the Sheikh’s time and many actually still do in the Muslim world, is going to the pious’ shrines seeking their help. This goes against the basis of Islam. It’s major shirk. And the sheikh simply called to worship and seek help from the Creator, not the created
simply don’t understand how the dead can help, and I do not understand why I should pray to and seek help from a human being like me.

“Now those beings that some people invoke beside God cannot create anything, since they themselves are but created. they are dead, not living, and they do not [even] know when they will be raised from the dead! Quran 16:20-21

So wahabism does not exist. It is just a label given to to those who stick to the Quran and the Sunnah (Prophet’s recorded actions and sayings) by people of shirk and bida’a.
Those who blindly attack him, either they are enemies of Islam or they simply follow lies and false accusations.They definitely cannot quote something from his books to back their claims, but they are just good at giving labels.
As for different interpretations and diversity,
The greatest prophet peace be upon him said ”my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell”
The one that enters paradise is the one that follows the prophet’s teachings (peace be upon him) without alterations, additions or innovations.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #190 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-05-01
Mr.Abu & Samiullah,This's not new to see your frustration with your rubbish & scrap justification for shirk & bidaa,Your further arguments are as good as things in stinking Baladiya tin.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #189 , Mangalore2010-04-30
Mr. Believer, we do not retract from our statement and we don’t let you retract as well. You again repeated that Perode Ustad is a liar. Let us decide who the liar is without wasting time in futile arguments. Do not prove yourselves to be a Munafiq denying our call for a face to face debate. The reason why we do not need debates like Nadapuram is:

1)Hussain salafi can tell blatant lies in the absence of Perode without touching the subject of contention

2) If the debate is done face to face like Nikah with full media glare and (definitely with full police protection, if anyone fears for their safety), millions will get the opportunity to know the truth from false without any confusion.

3) We left the choice to you to decide the venue of debate; let it be in any one of your strongholds. Then what is there to fear?

4) I did not specify in my previous reply that the discussion would be based on Ramayana, Mahabharatha or Bible. I said the discussion should be based on Qur’an, Hadith and Kitabs of Imams. On what basis do you have to deny my request if you people are really calling the mass to return to Qur’an and Sunna. Therefore, do not try to be clever. Kitabs of both parties could be verified in advance to decide their authenticity, to avoid any controversy of addition or deletion.

5) Let calling of Allah’s dearer ones be one of the subjects of debate (MOhiyudden sheike Kaakane,badreng hale rakshikkane whether it's shirk or not). We very much want that, since that is the crux of the problem we have with you people.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #188 , Mangalore2010-04-30
6) The face to face debate shall also be the continuation of the lies of Hussain Salafi in Nadapuram (if you feel Perode’s, either the way)

7) You said you were in right path, you are right; you are in the very right path of Wahhabism. But we are in the right path of Ahl Sunnath Wa’ Jama’a.

8) If you are not ready for the face to face debate, you should avoid writing nonsense comments in this column and accept that you are Munafiqs.

9) The least outcome of such debate for we Sunnis will be, we will have at least almost all the prominent Imams of past declared to have committed shirk and bid’a by you Salafis.

10) When you people are ready for face to face debate, all that you have to do is to give a public statement in some good papers, which is read by Muslims, including this Coastal Digest about your readiness to challenge Perod Ustad. That is enough for us to ready ourselves for the debate.

11) Our side is very clear. What else do you expect from us?
What happened in Hosangadi is a clear victory for Sunni views.
What happened in the debate of Ahsanis with Labbe Darimi? Should I mention it here?
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #187 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-30
O' Beleiver,

Are you really in your sense? Don’t you feel ashamed of denying debate with Perode usthad when we openly challenged. Where is your morality? You were boasting a lot throughout your argument our sunni scholars elude with excuses when they were invited for face to face debate? Who is it now eluding with excuses? YOU OR OUR SCHOLARS? Does anybody need any more instances rather than this? O' Believer, what happened to you ? where is your bravery? Are you sacred of losing the debate with our scholars or scared of being disturbed by Goondas? But in reality , the term Goondas applicable to you only.

You said you have got inspiration form prophet (PBUH) Sahabaas and help of Almighty Allah. Why don’t you use these inspiration to defeat us in the face to face debate? What is the meaning of claiming our scholars are fake & unislamic when you people don’t need any more debate to prove it?

Why do you talk about previous debate? Was any salifi murdered by our groups during face to face debate?
O' believer why are so scared. Don’t you know that how much difficulties Prophet (PBUH) & Sahabees faced to spread the real islam to shirk filled community? You & all your gurus proclaim that we sunnis are shirk filled community and you are all real followers of prophet & sahabees? O’ Believer, when Sahabees scarified their whole life to Islam to spread real thawheed to shirk filled community, why you & your gurus are bothered about a just disturbance you face during such debates?

O’ Believer, if you are really transmitters of tawheed, here is a one more golden opportunity to trap our scholars whom you believe that deceivers of muslim community in the name of misinterpretation of Quran , Hadith & Imams’ books.

O” Believer, I never expected your arguments will end in such tragedy.
What a shame ? what a shame ? What a Shame?

Your further arguments are as good as things in stinking Baladiya tin as long as you agree for face to face debate the way we are looking forward.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #186 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-30
Continued...
In what basis you are inviting us to have a debate with your guru now? In the past wherever debate took place,disturbed by your goonda's.It's evident that when it seems you are loosing,you will use all the tools(Iblees Kuthanthra) to destabilize the healthy debate & it'll collapse.
My freind henceforth not neccessarly need any sort of face to face debate, let your perode & chelas make public appeareces more & more & Let him tell the muslims that Salafis & Mujahids are deviated group, INSHAALLAH INSHAALLH we will prove your gurus claims are fake & unislamic, we dont want your help.Alhamdulillah we have got inspirations from our Prophet(SWS) & sahabaas & help of Almighty ALLAH.
Before i conclude, let me tell you my friend, you come up with any new sort of evidence to prove your shirk & bidaa ,it's going to perish.No doubt about it, Whatever you utter, we are cristal clear that we are in right path, we dont need guidence from Perode & group as we have had first hand experience with them that what can they offer to us in deenee matters.
Once again COME BACK TO ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM, WHICH IS QURAAN & SAHEEH HADEETH ASAP.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #185 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-30
Mr.Abu Mohammed you are very clever why you do not need debates like Nadapuram or anywhere? You know prior to first ever debate with Mr.Perode at Hosangadi,there was a debate among our scholars & your perode group to discuss the subject to be debated in Hosangadi, that discussion itself took whole one day!!! why you know? Hanif Kayakkodi insisted we should choose subject of shirk (If someone calls for help MOhiyudden sheike Kaakane,badrenghale rakshikkane whether it's shirk or not) but perode group was very reluctant at the begining & he insisted we only take subject like salafi's are deviant group.
Mr.Abu Mohammed, we know very well that who's right & who's in wrong way, Shirk & Bida'a is rampant in our community & your AP group parenting this manace & instead blaming Hussain salafi or any other salafi sholars please check your self consciousness. You people have nothing left now other than blaming salafi followers.
Dont act like smarter than your guru Perode. My freind just listing various imams name like he mention during all the debates, is not enough to support your fake arguement & you are a big liar on your deen my freind.Tell where these listed great imams supported shirk & Bidaa, instead they all opposed it & taught us it's against Prophet(SWS)'s sunnah & It's your gurus habbit of just mentioning these imams names in dall the debates to just fool you foolish people & get applause from you people.I feel for your pathetic situation really.
Now you are requsting for set up a debate with your lie guru Perode,it's laughable.What's result of Hosangadi, If perode was right then it was his responsible to directly tell us fron quraan where it says taking help from auliyas after their death is permissible other than taking long route, mentioning all the imams names.
You guys nothing left in your disposal to justify your false claims & now inviting for face to face debate before not even checking what happened in the previous debates.
My freind once your guru had a mukhamukham infront of your mini sakafi's & there where 4 or 5 salafi workers posed a quetion to him that tell us one du'a from the quraan,where Prophet (SWS) asked help from Eisa (AS) Moosa(AS)Nooh (AS) & so on, If perode was in right path he should have tell them such & such verses of quraan or should say no you wouldnt find it.Instead he's counter attacking them.once even he asked these ordinary people that whether Allah alive or dead!! Navoodubillah, how you people are following this mindless guru's.
And in so many debates it's well known fact that who created the problems,when it seems they are loosing they tried every tool to destabilise the programmes & it discontinued due to your goondas feeded by your guru's in many places, now how can we conduct healthy debate?even salafi sholars introduced video culture in debates when initially your group opposed it.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #184 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-29
O' Believer,

I completely agree with Mr. Abu Mohammad’s decision to organize the debate with Perode Usthad. As Abu Mohammad said, let us not continue the blame game ourselves.

No more arguments. Just let us know if your guru Salafi & Salahi are ready for such debate. We have already coordinated with persons concerned.

Remember that debate should be in such a way Abu Mohammad notified to you.

let us see how powerful your challenges to Perode Usthad are.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #183 , Mangalore2010-04-29
1) Islam entered our Malabar at the time of prophet SA , malik deenar , Group builted 10 masjids , where was Salfisam whabisam ?
2) No one quote any proof fromhistory about this culprit’s ideology before Hijari 900 yars.
3) The wahabisam first founded by ibn abdul wahab by support of Saudi king, , at that time hijaz was under turki govern.
4) So all this salfi ideology is so far away from isalm and lead to astray
5) Let us know why this group decline two azan in Jumuha day, worldly this practice followed by muslims from time of sahabah , Imam Bukhari is mentioned it is accepted and practiced by sahabth without any doubt.
6) Saudi salfi sheik declared that 20 rakahath taraweeh is sunnah but why thease salpi tell it is not islam ?
7) Any boady cannot learn islam without a good learned teacher m but salfi here said “However today you have access for all the kithabs why you dont personally study & analys the truth?” yes you have nover knowledge so you imitate follow that saitan commentary , so learn & study clear doubt by learning with original kitab’s text.
8) Thease guy said here that zakariya salahi & husain salafi is grown under samastha ulama
This is also big lie , he thinks readers are ignorant like him , zakariyia salahi’s usthad abdul salam sullami , and husain salafi is don’t have any religious knowledge , he can’t read Arabic single line without harakath , we see many mistakes when he first appeared in nadhapuram, afterwards he reading books by someone guide how to read it. But this point these ignorant peoples cannot find , because all are only knowledge of translations.

As per husain salafi is abujahl and makka musriks are belivers as s our strong beliver managlore. Look his own original CD he glorify the abujhal , if makka beliver beliver why Allah said in many places thay are not believers.
Makka mushriks belive their Alllah have daughters ? is muslims Allah have daughters ?
Yes we know salfi ideology is that salfi Allah has same kuffar’s god . he has hand , fingers , legs , sitting going ? wah !!! wah !! it is not tawheed , but kufriyath

Can you tell the fact of imam bukari quote about sahabi Osman bn madhoon qabr ? it is not half foot height, but it was very high
finally why prophet ( SA) is didn't make duha for Najd peoples, even they requested for duha for barakah, Prophet SA said in Najad ( old name of Riyadh ) is Saitan'horn will rise from najd , yes what was the horn of saitan it was ibn abdul wahhabi's wahabisam -salafisam !!! the salfisam started from Najd ,
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #182 , Mangalore2010-04-29
Continued........
Coming to Hussain Salafi, you said a lot of things about him and Zakariya Swalahi. We need to protect people from false salafiyyath. There have been a lot of debates of sorts and in spite of obvious failures to produce proofs or refute Sunnis, you claimed in your ensuing arguments here that your side got upper hand. Now we do not need debates like Nadapuram or anywhere. We suggest as below:



1) Perode Ustad and Hussain Salafi (or two from each side) shall sit across the table (like Nikah) and discuss the matter of Thawassul and Isthighasa in light of Qur’an, Hadith and Kitabs of Imams. Not that Perode speaks 5 minutes, salafi condemns 5 minute and vice versa.



2) Obviously, there shall be hundreds of other Ustads, Moulavis and others from both side as audiences.



3) Shall be conducted in full media glare, for there should not be any accusation of cut and paste later.



4) There should not be any time limitations and discussions should continue until the right and wrong side are decided.



5) Both side shall bring any number Kitabs required. Kitabs authentication can be proved in advance, for Salafis’ should not suspect the authenticity of any Kitabs.



If your Hussain Salafi is ready for this, just let us know (anywhere in India, the location choice is left to Salafi). We shall talk to Perode. For your information, Perode Ustad has already challenged Hussain Salafi for such a debate. Let us not continue the blame game ourselves, let the people in question decide the matter.

By the way you owe me a reply for your Mari Salfi pandit's inability to answer the question posed by Sunni master about Isthighasa in Imam Navavi's kitabul Adkar.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #181 , Mangalore2010-04-29
Your are in a state of utter Jahalath and we feel pity for your ignorance. I consider it a big joke that you are asking us to refer to different Kitaabs written by other scholars. My friend, you believe Hussain Salafi’s misquotations and present yourself before us as a buffoon. I shall answer you about this below. Before that I have the following questions, which I have prepared extracting from your own writings:



1) You said Abdul Khader Jeelani was a Muwahhid in your context of understanding Islam. Are you ready to throw away your false Salafiyyath if we present fool proof evidence from the books of Abdul Khader Jeelani (Q.S) that Thawassul and Isthighasa (the core difference between Sunnis and company of Salafi, J.E., Thableegi etc.- in other words making Ambiya, Auliya Allah as mediators at the their graves) are not only permissible, but were part of their routine.



2) You said to learn from Imam Shafi (R.A) – Are you ready to accept the truth about Islam if again we show evidences of Thawassul and Isthghasa in the lives of Imams of 4 schools of thought



3) Are you ready to accept the Sunni practices if we show fool proof evidences in the Kithaabs of Imam Navavi that Thawassul and Isthighasa are part of Islam and not shirk or bid’a as claimed by you deviants?.



4) Again, apart from Imam Navavi, are you ready to accept the Sunni practices if we show fool proof evidences in the Kithaabs of Imams of repute like Ibn Hajr ul Asqalani, Imam Ghazzali, Imam Suyuthi, Imam Ibn Haharul Haithami and many others that Thawassul and Isthighasa are part of Islam and not shirk or bid’a as claimed by you deviants?.



5) Are you ready to accept your own Ibn Thaimiyya’s quotation regarding making Nabi (S.A) as Waseela?



6) Can you produce a single Imam’s name accept Ibn Thaimiyyah and some of his disciples to have voided against the practices of Ahl Sunnah.?
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #180 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-29
Mr.Samiullah,you will not convinced because as i said your heart is stubborn to swallow the truth.Where i twisted? Twisting may be your culture but not mine. Dear seeking help from Jinn is shirk man, no doubt about it. If you prove that Zakariya Swalahi said that we can seek help from Jinn, i bet you now it's your responsibility to prove it from Zakariya swalahi's speeches or writings, not from cut/paste CD.OK, And also i would like to make it clear to you that we are not blindly following Zakariya swalahi or Hussain salafi or anybody else,if they propagate against quraan & Sunnah we will straight away reject them, but they are not doing it i'm sure anyway prove it. Again my question is will you take the similar stand if your musliyar say or propagate against quraan & sunnah.It's upto you to decide.
If i twist anything i'm answerable in Alla's court, so i always got fear of Allah.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #179 , Jubail, KSA2010-04-29
O’ Believer, Don’t Be Liar. Did I write anywhere that I don’t believe in the existence of Jinn.
Twisting is your instinct. When there is nothing left to justify your stand, you always indulge yourself in twisting. This is not fair if you are really genuine in your agrments.

Is it permissible for you tawheed people to seek the help of Jinn other than Allah? Just answer my simple question, let us argue rest of the things later.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #178 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-29
Continued...

So think before you comment.Yeah we used to have same arguement, i even commented against salafi's 15 years ago in kannada eveninger Karavasli ale, honestly it was a fun that time to say something against salafs because only we had knowledge that time was from kerala musliyars. If you think broad & get the access to great kithabs or saheeh hadeeth definately you will find proofs against these all innovation.I dont know why perode & group trying hard to stick with these false arguements.We realized that Islam is simple anr corrupt less & pure .If you think somebody brainwashed us,then the answer's NO.
So my humble request is think neutrally & positively.
For instance,In Muhiyudden mala so many things written against Adbul Khader Jeelani's teachings, He never propagate shirk or Bidaa.In this mala they're praising him in such a way that he's challenging Allah (navoodubillah) Have you translate these all mala's in your language to know better off it? Why it's written in Tamil/Malayalam, the reson behind was to make difficult to common people about it's contents.How many false stories are in there, why these so called musliyars openly supporting & reading it in big big majlis's??Why a musliyar prefer to read maulid instead of sura bakara in somebody's house?? Answer my all questions and if you have a evidence from Quraan or Sunnah let me know the verses or hadeeth number & simply dont say that we got the proof.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #177 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-29
Mr.Abu Ahmed,Samiullah & Fazal,All of your aurguments are just bucnch of lies,why are only hearing perode's one sided speeches if you are really truth seeker, i'm not refering you to Hussain Saklafi or Zakariya swalahi,instead there's learned scholars from Great Saudi Arabia like Ibn Uthaymeen, Sheik Bin Baaz (RAhmathullahi Alaihi) and the likes, atleast try to learn from their teachings about Shirk or Tawheed.Dont reject them hastely & dont depend only Perode. See if we see anything misguidence from whether Hussain Salafi or Zakariya swalahi we dont listen to them. Alhamdulillah till today mashaallah they are doing great job.These scholars grown up with samastha's background & when they studied different Kitabs they've seen something fishy in samasthas teachings so they decided to take a initiative against their misinterpretation.
However today you have access for all the kithabs why you dont personally study & analys the truth?
According to your perode's arguement there's 2 Allahs(Navoozu Billah).One''s for Makkah Mushrik & another for we Muslims.How come this!? from where he got this idea!?In which kitab & what verses in quraan it's mentioned? You are answerable on the day of judgement for this major sin.
What you people have difficulties when Salaf Scholars says pray or make du'a from one ALLAH?? Let me know Allah not enough for you?why you are going to graves? How Prophet (SWS) taught us when muslims visit graveyards?? How these all innovations peeped into Islam?? Who's responsible for it?
You've mentioned that you dont blindly follow Mr.Perode, brother then get knowledge yourself, read various Islamic books, not written by any present days scholars, atleast go through your Shafi Imam (Rahmathullahi Alaihi) or Abdul Khader Jeelani.
Imam shafi clearely said grave should be half foot height from the earth & it's sunnsh of Prophet (SWS), why today most of your graves height beyond that mark??and spread green chadhar,lighting fire,making sujood, kissing grave. You dont need to go far away, you can see it in your own Ullal & Kajoor. Have you know the story of how Kajoor darga existed ? I will let you know my next response.Who's supporting to this?? Your own Perode & AP. So that's where we see the fishy on your scholars. Why they dont oppose all this unislamic culture. Mr.Samiulla said he will provide me evidence from quraan & Sunnah. Your perode couldnt prove it then how can you prove it poor fellow?
Personally we dont have any grudge with your scholars whether it's perode or Ap or any others,We have a problems when you teaches against Islamic principles & one should be very clear with his Shahada La Ilaha Illallahu,Muhammed Arrasoolullah.If one's going against this very foundation of Islam,then all of his good deeds will be waste according to quraan.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #176 , Managalore2010-04-28
This Believer is writing blatant lies to defame Perod Ustad. If he can prove that Perode ustad has really lied or deleted anything from Hussain Salafi's speech to cheat the people, we Sunnis will not hesitate to question Perode in this regard. Prove it if you are not a eunuch.

Do not write something just to prove your lies. We do not believe Perode or anyone, unless the evidences provided are sound.

Have you watched one of your mari salafi Moulavis stammering for words in front of a Sunni Physics master in an argument quite recently. The topic was about Thawassul and Isthighasa mentioned in the Kitabul Adhkar of Imam Navavi. Why 2 of your Ulemas could not even utter a single word agaisnt the question posed by common Sunni layman.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #175 , RE: RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-28
Utter against wall, it may listen to your foolish agruments.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #174 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-28
Oh!! I didn't know that you dont believe in Jinn!!!Yeah it'c understandable that your guru's have different opinions about Jinn & somebody not even believe in their existance like you Mr.samiullah.If you dont believe in Jinn you are out of Islam.My freind please atleast read following verses of quraan
“And indeed, We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud.

And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire”

[al-Hijr 15:26-27]

And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone).

“‘There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups having different ways (religious sects)’”

[al-Jinn 72:11 – interpretation of the meaning]
So please ask your guru about jinn atleast he must have some idea.
About Zakariya swalahi Alhamdulillah he's trying his best to kill the shirk & bida'a & he succeede in that, many sunni musliyars, especially sakafi's entering to Tawheed and it wont go to your throat well.So it's your routine to propagate false stories among people. Please go & see in kerala itself whether they are welcoming Tawheed or not? just to get self satisfaction and to make happy of your fool guys you wont see the truth.
I remember there's one henchman of Mr.Perode (Sulaiman Sakafi) do you know he try to change some phrases in Quraan and timely our scholars caught him & now perode group dissasociate with him.Perode says Mujahid's dont add Bismillahi.... before recite the quraan during Salath & open the quraan to the camera to show it to the YA KOUM & says see people whether quraan has Bismillah or not!!!
These innocent people believe that oh! see our ostad very intelligent & caught Mujahids.what kind of fooolish is this?? Could you prove me that whether our beloved prophet Muhammed (SWS)or sahabaas or 4 imams recite the Bismillah... loudly during prayer?? A big NOOOOO!!! You will say that our ostad will prove it, yes i know every thing he will prove it from his own not from the Sunnah or Quraan.

BEWARE OF THE HEARAFTER & THE HELLFIRE
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #173 , Jubail. KSA2010-04-28
O’ Beliver ......Swami, Welldone, you have proved yourself smarter than your big liar guru husain salafi . Next time, your presence is much needed in Nadapura to assist your big liar guru with your special skills of COPY and PASTE strategy.

What more can we expect from this clans of Iblish. Continue with your copy and past strategy along with cheating innocent people in the name of fake thawheed until you breathe your last.

By all means, It is waste of time arguing with those who deny the fact inspite of knowing the truth.

Your another Jinn Agent Zakariya Salafi says that we can ask the help of Jinn if anyone is trapped in the lonely place such as Jungle, desert and so on. What do you say about this? Is it your gurus Tahweed?

Don’t teach us tahweed. Zakariya Salahi is struggiling without knowing the real meaning of Tawheed. Teach him thoroughly seeking the help of Jinn is Shirk as we are the specially deputed for spreading new version of tawheed to humanity.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [2] #172 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-28
In Hussain salafi's second appearance in Nadapura, He said, I would reply to all Perode’s questions and arguments raised by him and I would not leave anything. In case, I left out anything if anybody points out, I would reply to those as well.
In perode’s third appearance in Nadapura, Perode said to his followers, Hussain salafi cheated the public by making them believe that he would reply to all questions & arguments raised by me. But he has left out many questions & arguments raised by me. So, he has gone against his words. So, Hussain Salafi cannot be believed and he is a liar.

Do you know what really happened here. Perod Usthad cut Hussain Salafi's speech which says “ In case, I left out anything, if anybody points out I would reply to those as well” .
Hiding hussain salafi's next part of the speech, he fools the public that Hussain Salafi is liar. Who is the liar in real sense?
What kind of cheating is it? We can call him Master of Liar. So, don’t talk much about him.

Don’t appear with foolish arguments again. Listen to Hussain salafi's original CDs and not censored Cd from your gurus,then your liar guru’s CDs.
You will understand your guru’s calibre. Let me see how you will justify this. if not possible, just have the help of Jinn
Comment on this message
The people have well understood your intention to eradicate good things so as to bring out the evil things.
When this Perade got frustrated by seeing less number of people attending to listen to his twisted speeches in Nadapura, his chelas must have gathered people from outside like political parties do in order to show the strength to public. We have been observing it from the past.
Hussain Salafi never requested to boycott Perade’s program but it was people of Nadapura who wanted to bring an end to this one-sided argument by inviting both of them to share a face-to-face stage in order to prove the right things to public. It was then your gurus eluded with excuses as usual. How shameful it is!

Your home mister (Ap, Perode & Group) is doing the act of Saithan in Karnataka by tempting the people for communal violence. So how well Allah foiled your crooked thantras to bring stay orders (Alhamdulilla)
Swami, wake up & understand what is shirk and thawheed by reading the Quran, hadith & imams’ books instead of listening to foolish arguments of your gurus and don’t indulge yourself in propagating baseless and crooked arguments of your gurus.
I challenge you, you will not find evidence for Uroos , Maulid Ratheeb and the like if you have really attained the true knowledge of Quran, Hadith & Imams’ Books
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [2] #171 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-28
Mr.Swamiulla, As usual all of your allegations baseless and a big lie which you have inherited from your Guru's.Provide me a single incident or a clip that Hussain salafi or any other ahlusunna wal jam'a (not your fake Ahlu Sunnah)scholars speaking against Islam or any innovations they brought to Islam. If you shout out in a jungle where no humans are exists,it's only waste of your energy my friend.I can give you thousands of evidence against your leaders who gave fatwas against Islamic principles.
It is very difficult for you to understand the truth as your heart is sealed with Abu Jahals Stamp. So, when Scholars from Arabian countreis teaches from authentic sources, it is normal for you to consider it baseless and rubbish as the Permanent Shirk Stamp is averting the clear one to appear on.
On the arrival of Dajjal, he should not get disappointed on seeing the less number of supporters for him. So, start getting more and more numbers for him by your crooked mastermind.

We are taught in the revelation that the sunnah shall become corrupted and this corruption would become the norm, so much so that the people who follow the sunnah would become as strangers, and those that call to purifying the sunnah would be slandered and reviled. The Prophet (SAW) said, “Islaam began as something strange, and it shall return as something strange as it began. So Tooba (a tree in paradise) to the strangers.” It was asked, “who are the strangers?” He replied, “those that purify and correct what the people have corrupted of my sunnah” (Tabaraanee in al-Kabeer [6/202])
And what is this corruption? It is none other than innovation, introducing into the pure religion of Allaah new ways of worshipping Him that He has not taught, blemishing His religion with our whims and desires, something that Allaah Himself condemns,

“or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?” (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)

The Companion, Abdullaah ibn Mas’ud laments, “how will it be when the trials overcome you, in which the young grow old and the old grow senile. And the people take the bid’ah as the sunnah, and when it changes they say: the sunnah has changed. It was said: when will this be O Abu Abdurrahmaan? He replied: when your speakers are many and your scholars are few, and the wealthy ones are plenty and the trustworthy ones are few.” (ad-Daarimee)
How true this statement is today, that the innovations have become so widespread in the religion that the people have taken then to be the sunnah. And when the true scholar speaks out against these innovations he is labelled as a ‘wahhabi’ by the people because to them it seems that he is changing the sunnah. To Allah we complain of the ignorance of our times!
“follow that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and do not follow as Friends and Protectors other than Him” (Surah Al-A’raaf 7:3)
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #170 , Jubail, KSA2010-04-27
Continuation of above part ........

Before, I conclude, I advise you, please listen to Perode Usthad’s nadapura CDs.
In Perode Usthad’s second appearance in Nadapura, Perode Usthad said, I would reply to all Husain salafi’s questions and arguments raised by him and I would not leave anything. In case, I left out anything if anybody points out, I would reply to those as well.
In Salafi’s third appearance in Nadapura, Salafi said to his followers, Perode cheated the public by making them believe that he would reply to all questions & arguments raised by me. But he has left out many questions & arguments raised by me. So, he has gone against his words. So, perode ushtad cannot be believed and he is a liar.

Do you know what really happened here. Husain Salafi cut Perod Usthad’s speech which says “ In case, I left out anything, if anybody points out I would reply to those as well” .
Hiding perode usthad’s next part of the speech, he fools the public that Perode is liar. Who is the liar in real sense?
What kind of cheating is it? We can call him Master of Liar. So, don’t talk much about him. What kind of sea changes is it you mean about him?

Don’t appear with foolish arguments again. Listen to Perode Usthad’s CDs and then your liar guru’s CDs.
You will understand your guru’s calibre. Let me see how you will justify this. if not possible, just have the help of Jinn
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #169 , Jubail, KSA2010-04-27
Continuation of above part ........

The people have well understood your intention to eradicate good things so as to bring out the evil things.
When this Shrajah Salafi got frustrated by seeing less number of people attending to listen to his twisted speeches in Nadapura, his chelas must have gathered people from outside like political parties do in order to show the strength to public. We have been observing it from the past.
Perode usthad never requested to boycott salafi’s program but it was people of Nadapura who wanted to bring an end to this one-sided argument by inviting both of them to share a face-to-face stage in order to prove the right things to public. It was then your gurus eluded with excuses. How shameful it is!

Our home mister is doing the act of Saithan in Karnataka by tempting the people for communal violence. It is known to everyone. So, how can he ban the participation of Husain salafi in Panemangalore as he is the one who almost resembles Acharya’s acts. Naturally, he gave him full protection to come to Panemangalore- Nandawara and soil the hatred seed among the people who are living peacefully.
O’ Believer …… Swami, wake up & understand what is shirk and thawheed by reading the Quran, hadith & imams’ books instead of listening to foolish arguments of your gurus and don’t indulge yourself in propagating baseless and crooked arguments of your gurus.
I challenge you, you will find evidence for Uroos , Maulid Ratheeb and the like if you have really attained the true knowledge of Quran, Hadith & Imams’ Books.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #168 , Jubail, KSA2010-04-27
O' Believer………………Swami
It is better for you to utter these things against walls, as walls cannot react to your stupid explanations.
Don’t you feel ashamed of saying he is bringing sea changes in Shirk filled community to root out the evil teachings of Musliyars, when 99% of the people realized that Husain Salafi’s speeches consist of nothing other than lias in Nadapura. He has proved himself a big liar in Nadapura and his chelas like you are not exempt from it. When Husain Salafi is expert in twisting Perode Usthad’s speeches in Nadpura to fool the brainless salafis, just imagine how expert he would be in twisting the real meaning of Quran, Hadith & Imams' teachings.
Perode Usthad is only enough for us to reveal all your ignorance and stupidity you possess
You people think Islam was strengthened after the arrival of Ibn Wahhab but infact it was he who devastated the Islam and it is now your turn to carry on further to be obliged to him. So, it has been necessary for our scholars to impart the true message of Islam to ignorant people and we strongly believe that , Protecting & Stregthing of Islam was also born in AP Ushtad, Perode Usthad and their usthads’ home ground land in order to drive away the clans of dajjal.
Many holy saints came to India to spread the Islam in India. By their life style, teachings and the miracles, great number of people embraced Islam and learned from holy saints that Uroos, Maulid, Rathib are all part of Islam.
Whereas, Ibn Wahhab’s arrival with some new baseless arguments brought insurgence in the muslim society who were living peacefully. So, it is better to say “The culture of Wahhabi enterned into Islam to divide the Muslims when his clans embraced new thawheed party”. Don’t bring Dravidas & Aryans into picture unnecessarily to justify your thoughtless stand.
What happened in Hosangadi ? Were your great gurus able to prove that sunnis are against Quran, Hadith & Imams’ teachings? When your gurus failed, it was natural for public to support and celebrate the success against the clans of shaithans. The debates which took place afterwards are memorable in which our scholars have made your gurus to drink a lot of water. How can you people digest such defeat? It is ridiculous to hear Perode usthad is not interested in debate afterwards. It reminds me of a kannada proverb that fits your current situation “ ADIGE BIDDAROOO MOOGU MELE “
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #167 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-27
Well done brother "Believer". You have given a fitting rebuttal to AP followers.These people never try to get knowledge from the authentic sources & doesnt care about truth,instead they only follow their leaders orders & it's final deeni acts for them.I reckon once this AP led the juma Khutba in one of the Masjid in Bahrain,where women also took part(Almost 80% masjid throught the world women are worshipping)and also he led the Namaz, after the namaz someone brought this to his attention & he said it's permissable. How come this??same Islam, same AP and double standard when he goes to gulf countries in deen!!! When he visit Saudi or other countries collecting the fund in the name of building madrasas,arabic colleges but spending lot on uroos and other bid'as and for their lavish life.

When Ullal thaangal called EK Aboobakker Musliyar "KAFARA" Mr.AP got felicitated by your "YA KAUM" and he's garlanded (dont forget that EK was his Guru)(If you need any proof i've the video of that.I can paste the link here).

However if you call saudi arabia & other gulf countries Wahabees, then my freind, none of you & your groups daily prayers would not be correct behind these imams and make tauba and Re-pray again all the prayers since you enter this holy land.For you people earning money from the wahhabees or zeonists or bringing your family or going to umrah, hajj or praying in masjids where most of the masjid has women prayer halls are not a problem.Why are you compromising on that?? When they say deen against your innovated deen then you have a problems.

Dear instead of wasting time on spreading false stories about Islam, atleast open the correct translation of Quraan & Sunnah.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #166 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-27
Continued....
I dare you & your group to take this debate forward.I'll prove all of your false propagandas by your own sources.FEAR ALLAH & HIS HELLFIRE my freind(mr.fazal also)
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #165 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-27
Mr.Swami-ulla, Thanks for reminding me abt Hussain Salafi's Nadapuram Revolution, Mashalllah He's bringing sea changes in SHIRk filled community to root out the evil teachings of your musliyars (Mr.Perode & co, Anyway you've got only him and i dont know he will survive now).It's a utter one more additional lie from you people who makes a habbit of it.It's he who take the initiative to have a debate with your shirk & lie guru Mr.Perode & it's evident that after having such a Mukhamukham atleast Allah fearing muslims stay away & reject your version of Islam.Since you've nothing to utter,one can expect your frustration & being in a loser side!!
You & your henchman Mr.Fazal taking more people from original Islam to New found innovated Islam of your Ostads. You people think Islam was born in AP or Perode's homeground but infact it's not.Dont forget that when Islam enter indian subcontinent we were all Hindus (Dravida's,Arya's & so on)and it's true that some of their cultures are entered into Islam when these peopel embrased Islam by Knowingly or not Knowingly only Allah Knows.So
About debate, i'm one of the few persons who attend the first ever full pledged debate in Hosangadi with your guru mr.Perode and what happened afterwards was a history and also immediately after the debate they started to celebrate in public to show the public that we won this debate even though they're not, so that's why i told you, these guru's & you people need just public support, you dont care abour truthness of Islam.Again debates happened in so many places and it backfired to Perode so now he's not interested anymore.
See people, our intention is not to defeat perode or anybody else,but to eradicate the evil things which your perode & AP propagates since years on common peoples mind.
Again coming back to Nadapuram,when Hussain Salafi first visited this small village only few people were there to hear his reply to Perode's fake aurguements and Alhamdulillah,Summa Alhamdulillah by the 8th appearance there's huge crowd to hear him.So for the sake of the aurgument if people are so obsessed with perode why they doesnt heed his call to boycot salafi program???
Recently when Hussain Salafi visited to our own PAneMangalore, your rowdies tried all the guns but by Allah's help these shaitaans(dont feel bad)failed & it was a very successful huge programe.Your group even petitioend in High Court to bring the stay order to it. Alhamdulillah By Allah's help we defeated your shaitaan's tanthras & My freind wake up & atlest read your own Quraan translation & Saheeh hadeeth instead of indugling in false propagandas & weak proofs, once again i challenge youyou wont find any evidence for Uroos,Maulid,celebrating meeladunnabi,ratheeb,khuthbiyyath and list goes on.
Truth has come, falsehood perishes and falsehood bound to perish.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #164 , Jubail, KSA2010-04-26
O' Believer,

Believer, Strong Believer and again Believer and what next, I wish he would not become someone NON ……… because of brainless knowledge he possess about Quran, Hadith & Great Imams.

It is very funny that our shaikunas brainwashed us. Your wahhabi gurus are leading you to special Jannah ………………..

We never and ever want to join hands with you for fear of being trapped in the hands of deceiver like the one who comes in the end of the world holding paradise & hell in his hands to betray the innocent people. Some of his clans are already here doing almost the same what he does in the end to lose their faith in Almighty Allah.

It is very difficult for you to understand the truth as your heart is sealed with Wahhabi Stamp. So, when AP Usthad teaches from authentic sources, it is normal for you to consider it baseless and rubbish as the Wahhabi Stamp is averting the clear one to appear on.
On the arrival of Dajjal, he should not get disappointed on seeing the less number of supporters for him. So, start getting more and more numbers for him by your crooked mastermind.

Be happy, we are not worried about the numbers of Sunnis decreasing. Whereas, the large number of people, who are well convinced of your swindle will never fall into your filthy traps.

The reason of opposing AP usthad is very clear that Markaz has been bringing out a lot of scholars, who make the ignorant people aware of the wahhabis false interpretation of Quran & Hadith and Imams teachings. These scholars openly challenge your wahhabi gurus to come forward for the face to face debate in order to prove the right teachings of Quran, Hadith & Imams’ books to people who are in favour and against. It has become throttle for your gurus.

When Husain Salfi was invited for face to face debate in Nadapura Kerala in order to prove the public that his arguments are right, your people eluded with so many excuses. It was the golden opportunity for your gurus to trap our sunni scholars and make the public aware that these sunni scholars are cheating the ignorant people by their false interpretation of Quran, Hadith etc. But, your gurus always hesitate for being trapped by our sunni scholars. There are so many incidents as such. So, it is very very clear that your scholars are fit for cheating ignorant minds in the name of Islam. If your gurus are really genuine in their arguments, they would have never hesitated to come forward for any face to face arguments, while our sunni scholars are ready wherever they are invited for it.

So, it is very easy to understand for those who really have brain who is right & wrong and easy to understand what you are.

Time is running out to get back into right track, so revert back to original sources of Islam ASAP.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [2] #163 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-25
Hahaha!!! now i'm very clear that this guy (Fazal) really suffocated & he never ever accept the truth,bcoz these Sheikhunas trained & brainwashed them in such a way where these sorry people are themselves doesnt know right & wrong.

My freind you're aboard a sinking ship & trying to survive by apprising your & your ostads evil things on common muslims & i'm trying to rescue you from the calamity, if you are so reluctant with your false & fake arguements,then i will not joins hand with you for sure.

And It's not new that people claiming they are in right path even though they are not.

However you've quoted that your AP teaches from authentic sources then it's baseless & rubbish as many common muslims are realizing it and coming to the right path, so you are a worried guy that your numbers are decreasing. We dont believe in numbers but believe in authentic teaching of Islam which doesn't matter where it comes from & which imam propagates it.

I believe you are a imam shafe'e(RA) believer, so atleast follow his true teachings, instead of sceaming to garner support for your lifeless & baseless arguements my freind.

For you people getting the numbers may important it seems, but for us let people know the true Islam & Shirk, Bid'a less Islam is important.

Last but not least, my friend i'm a true follower of our beloved Muhammed Musthafa (Sallalahu Alaihiva Sallam) so i cannot use any harsh words on you as taught by our prophet and sahabaas.And it may be your culture & your Ostads teachings made you a such human so you will not be changed until Allah wishes you to be changed.

So still i've lot of sympathy on you for your lack of knowledge & blind followings. Time is running out to get back in to track my friend so revert back to original sources of Islam ASAP.

Yet i pray may Allah Almighty guide you & your guru's in to the right path.AAMEEN
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #162 , Mangalore/Saudi Arabia2010-04-25
Mr. faceless strong believer, please accept my condolences for not being able to raise fully after having the death blow the other day. However, I appreciate your effort to stand up. It’s good that you have tried to come up with some arguments that affirm your strong belief in Shaitan and the name strong beleiver suits you well. But before I go further, my friend Mr. strong believer, I am really offended that you have considered the support I offered you an insult. I offered support because I found you so weak , your argument baseless and untenable. You seem to have learnt no lessons. First of all, you shouldn’t have presented yourself as a learned and educated Muslim when in fact you are not. I understand, you need to pose yourself as one, but do it without exposing your ‘Jaahilness’. Please, don’t be annoyed. I am not telling this. Please ask some of your close beings in your shaitan clan. They will tell you that have appeared a buffoon in your argument.

You are talking about my frustration. I still would like to be a well-wisher and say that you unnecessarily appear a frustrated lot . I still don’t understand why you can’t do like experienced shaitans in your side. Try to find out some loopholes in authentic hadiths or add it with some masala contents or interpret in such way that people are confused and present all these as sophistry ( sorry for using a difficult word, no other word can exactly fit in to explain your situation) like the wise men in your circle or great grandpa of your philosophy had always done it, so that people will fall in to your trap. After all, I have seen a lot of sophists in your team. I am really sorry, my friend. These kinds of crazy statements , which everyone knows as false are mostly either ignored or considered as statements of a street lunatic. So, if you want people to consider you with some seriousness, propagate things in a polished way with all coatings where your hidden agenda is not exposed.

The allegation you have leveled against AP Usthad will just be considered as bankruptcy of solid ideas. Believe me, my friend. Nobody will accept these allegation as these remain untenable and often tried out unsuccessfully in the past. I am sure the experienced shaitans in your group will rebuke you for this and will tell you about the new deceiving strategy they have learnt. So, you better seek a crash course from them.

However, I still feel for you. Why do you have to do all these things. How did you become a shaitan? I know you are enjoying the present status. But this will lead to the destruction of your soul. Try to follow religion the way Imams of best centuries or immediately after that followed where all practices What AP propagates were existing. The imams had categorically justified the practices what AP usthad teaches,certainly not as depicted by you in your lunatic state of mind.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #161 , manglore2010-04-24
you are furious and jelouse dear.. any how allah knows truth,
lot of jealous and najd belif is in ur heart... evry prophet ,immams as well other scholars had some against people to bite them, its also a part , our usthad now facing.. allah give him more power to spread the islam,
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [1] #160 , RE: Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-24
DEAR FATWAS YOU MENTIONED ARE JUST RESONING...
LADYS NOT TO GO TO MASJID FOR PRAYER WITH JAMATH.. their house is kair for them very clear ... dont just try to keep some unnecessory dear...
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #159 , Mangalore2010-04-24
Congratulations on displaying your faceless belief. This is not a forum to discuss the right or wrong of the schools of thought you represent in Islam. Now. Please don’t reply with the usual rotten answer ‘there are no schools of thought ….. there is one Islam…. One school of thought and that is…….blablabla. It is a globally acknowledged fact Muslims belong to different schools of thought and each category believe that they are right. Hence, I said this is not the forum for discussing who is right and who is wrong.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #158 , uppinangady thekkar2010-04-24
With all maasha-allah to a.p ustad let ustad support & spread true islam teached by our beloved Prophet in india & all over the world without looking for his name or benfits.may allah give him the courage.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [4] #157 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-23
Mr.Fazul Rahman,MAngalore/KSA. Why are you so frustrated with my comments?? Truth is always difficult to digest for you people,who blindly follow these shiekhuna's!!
I dont think your OXFORD copied English comments influence educated learned muslims like me nor it would benefit you & your followers either.You are a poor guy misguided by these so called protecter of Ahlusunnah Wal Jama'a.My friend ywhat you've done here's tried to insult me, it's ok with me my friend,but let me tell you i can produce thousands of evidence against your AP OSTAD where he propagate SHIRK,INNOVATION in Deen.IF you are a really positive abt your deen & seeker of truth then be neutral and analys what your QWAJAS teaching and the reality according QURAAN & SUNNAH.

When you insulted me dont think tht i'm going downwards or believe in your version of ISLAM.I'd been to your version of ISLAM at earlier parts of my life & i'm aware of what these so called musliyars can offer to we muslims my friend.

Dont you know that your AP has recently changed their earlier Fatwas?? SAmples are here.
1)Earlier they issued a Fatwa that Womens should not enter Masjid, it's HARAAM for them to come close to MAsjid (Nawood Billah).
NOW- It's allowed women's to Enter MAsjid to get the knowledge of Islam & pray.If you have doubt then visit ur Pumpwell,Bajpe masjid & see even ladies attending classes taught by your male compatriates??!!
2)Earlier Education Haraam for Girl students.
NOW- They have their own scholls for Girls & even co-education!!!
3)Earlier Mohiuddeen Mala was part of your deen.If someone miss it, then he's not muslim.
Now- They disassociate with this Mala's & tinkered it according to their needs!!
4)Earlier-Translation of Quraan haraam!!
Now- The maximum number of translation belongs to your group (18 varieties)
And go & see how DARGHA's are Mushrooming in India particularly Kerala & South Kanara??If this's your OSTADS & your culture, which our Prophet(SAS) strictly opposed,then pls keep your version innovated your deen with you, dont force it on others to commit shirk & Bid'aa & issue ticket to JAhannam ok my dear friend??
I pity on your lack of deeni knowledge, you are really living in a dark age & i've lot of sympathy on you & your follower for your pathetic knowledge on deeni matters & tomorrow your Shikhuna never answer for your deeds in hearafter & you will be accountable for it.

Last but not least See todays latest news, Mr.Poojary giving 'HOREKANIKE" to ullal uroos.Is your Auliya needs this Kanike form a non believer? or it's exchange of pleasntries between your Dargha & thier Temple??

Comman man wake up & learn Quaraan from good scholars & authentic sources, leave aside all these your forefathers unislamic cultures & belief.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #156 , Riyadh2010-04-23
Simply Kamarul Ulama is great....or more....
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #155 , Dubai2010-04-22
brother, If you have doubts you should ask and clear that instead of giving your verdict against those. I would request you to follow our Imaams whom you have mentioned and all your doubts will be cleared.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #154 , Dubai2010-04-22
Abu Mohammed,

May Allah bless you and all of us who follow Ahlu Sunnah and fight for the cause of the same.

Abdul Basit
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #153 , Dubai2010-04-22
Dear brother Abdul,
I think you are speaking out of context. If you want proof we sunnis have proof which no one can debate as we follow our Imaams and we say that we donot possess the knowledge that those Imaams have. However, some real hypocrites, they praise the Imams RA but when they are asked on the proofs, their answer is nay we have to check with quran and sunnah. I would ask only one question, are these hypocrites knowledgeable enough to question our Imaams?? For you I would say that if you have doubts, clear those by asking? Insha Allah we can clear your doubts which we feel basically are related to shirk, istigatha, tawassul etc.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #152 , manjeri \ jubail KSA2010-04-22
ALHAMDULILLA
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #151 , AJMAN U A E2010-04-22
Masha allaah. vrey nice interviw.i don't have words to express my feelings.thanks to coastel digest and kamarudeen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #150 , Dubai2010-04-22
Very good interview with A.P. Ustad. Mashallah see his face, how his look. his face is noor. may allah keep us together with Mohammed S.A in Jannah. Ameen
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [2] #149 , mangalore/kuwait2010-04-22
lots of comments, great. brothers, in islam your or our views is zero. what is authentic what not would be decided from quran and sunnah. one brother mr, Fazal Rahman, Mangalore/ Saudi Arabia typed some good english words. but your SUPERB english is not proof in islam nor answer. here one "(true)beliver" raised some questions about shirk and bid'ath. if you have any proper reply to that, then give us. the correct aqeedah (creed)is thus the foundation upon the religion is based. It is the correct aqeedah with which actions are set aright as the allah said,"so, whoever hopes for the meeting with his lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his lord." {soora alkahf (18):110}and for our deviated brothers nowadays its so easy to justify the shirk. umar bin khattab(r.a) said,"verily, the bonds of islam will be destroyed one by one, when there arise in islam people who do not know or recognize jahiliyah (ignorance)." this is what really happend here.when we opposing innovations they come forward with the same intolerance answers which they used to reply from last 5 decades.Allah says, "when it is said to them, 'follow what allah sent down, they say, "nay! We shall follow what we found our fathers following.' (would they do that!) even though their fathers did not understand anything nor were they guided?" {soorah al baqarah:170}now this people trying very hard to save their sinking ship. after reading all this comments i can say that,saying of prophet(pbuh) come true.Prophet (pbuh) said, "the later part of this ummah will not be corrected except by that which corrected its earliest part." this is what happend here. our community left very far from the way of prophet(pbuh) and his companions.they even dont have fully faith in allah's names and attributes completly. he is "same'e" and "aleem".Raising the awliya and the swaliheen above their dua status where it is belived that they bring benefits and prevent harm in a manner which none has the ability to do except allah. but unfortunately some scholars are now promoters of this kind of innovations.this people spread lots of misconceptions and innovations in islamic community. specially in kerala and southern karnataka.quran says,"there are some who displace words from the places."{soora an-nisa:4} atlast we just saying this only "LAKUM DEENUKUM VALIYA DEEN" assalamualaikum.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #148 , areacode.ajman,uae2010-04-21
Assalamu alaikum
I could understand that , AP is the live of ahlussunna and islam. he only the scholer and activist of the true ilam .allahumma afeeh
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #147 , Najran, Saudi Arabia2010-04-21
Assalamu Alaikum to all readers of Coastal digest. We thank Allah to have this on-line newsletter to raise the voice of poor & downtrodden society. I'm happy to read the excellent interview with well known Indian scholar A.P.Ustad [Kanthapuram]. Lots of unnecessary doubts against him were clarified and this interview made me to become one of his good supporters. I liked his great achievements. After reading this article, I went to YOUTUBE last night & amazed to see his excellent vision to bring up downtrodden poor families in Kashmir too. What a great vision from a normal Ustad and now he became one of great personalites among 500 in the world as conducted by one of the American University. WHO's this BELIVER who and has authroity to write comments against A.P.Ustad.? He himself proclaimed to the world that he's is DISBELIEVER as he doesn't want to disclose his name while writing comments.! POOR FELLOW.! I was amazed to read the SUPERB english of brother Fazal Rahman & he was able to give right reply to this DISBELIEVER. I suggest BETTER to ignore this person. I suggest him to go and watch A.P's daily schedule and then he will judge himself that NO ONE in the world requires to take any training on TIME MANAGEMENT, but he can avail practical training with A.P.Ustad within a week. Pls pray for my success in Duniya & Aakhira.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #146 , Jubail2010-04-21
Dear Fazal Rahman,

you have given a lot to the BELIEVER by your reply. I dont think he is a believer, istead Believer of someone who always misguide the people in order to increase the members for him in hereafter.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #145 , Mangalore2010-04-21
hello Believer,
May be Abu Jahil also will shy on your innocent jahil comments.Beliver is believed in changing his faces with crook aproach.
 
 
Like [5]Dislike [1] #144 , Mangalore/ Saudi Arabia2010-04-21
Dear faceless believer,

Congratulations on displaying your faceless belief. This is not a forum to discuss the right or wrong of the schools of thought you represent in Islam. Now. Please don’t reply with the usual rotten answer ‘there are no schools of thought ….. there is one Islam…. One school of thought and that is…….blablabla. It is a globally acknowledged fact Muslims belong to different schools of thought and each category believe that they are right. Hence, I said this is not the forum for discussing who is right and who is wrong.

I am more interested in making the world know the situation you are in now and try to garner some sympathy for you. Don’t worry, the faceless believer. I will try my best to make people know your plight and your unheeded clamoring.
You have said that you belong to the opposing group and justify the comments made by those who oppose. I understand it, bu haven't you heard ,Mr. faceless believer ,the universally accepted principle ‘nobody is universally accepted. Even prophet SA, the best of best persons, had opponents’. Why don’t you capture some parts of the world and make them think like you. So that you will have some support. Oh, I remember what you told me sometime before that with the help of Shaitan you captured some packets here and there and made them believe and talk like you. I appreciate it Mr. faceless believer.But, it is just not enough. Take the help of all shaitans of this world to defeat people like AP Usthad. There are solid performing shaitans in Israel, Mr. faceless believer why don’t you take their help. How sad it is , it is clear like broad day light that these opponents of AP Usthad are a miniscule minority. The Islamic faith represented by AP Usthad is a global Islamic Phenomena in this century and was so in all the past centuries of Islamic History. I respect your minority status Mr. faceless believer and give you freedom to shout as much as you can ( After all minority rights need to be respected!). But, please don’t blame me if situation cannot be changed.
 
 
Like [5]Dislike [2] #143 , Mangalore/ Saudi Arabia2010-04-21
Continuation of above part ........

Dear faceless believer,

I can understand the heartburn you are facing . This person called AP is gaining popularity day by day and whatever project he undertakes becomes a great success. People from all over the world invite and felicitate him. Leave alone others, our own Beary community gave him such a huge presence that he stole the limelight all the way!!!!!!. I pity you, your voice need to be heard and the towering and globally acclaimed personality like AP Usthad should be defamed. But what to do Mr. faceless believer. Such personalities ( Muwahhids) do exist all centuries and they climb to great heights. Each criticism and clamoring mustered against them act as rung of the ladder to climb further high. Besides, the most hated factor is that people like AP Usthad have Allah’s help. This is the saddest state of affair
.
My dear friend Mr. faceless believer, you don’t know how to argue. Why do you mention the name of Imam Shafee, Imam Abu Haneefa, Imam Maalik, Imam Hanbali etc in your argument. You should never cite reference of these Imam’s. Don't you know they all have taught what AP Usthad teaches and propagates.

You are really such a poor arguer my dear friend. Why do you make such an appeal to educated and uneducated people to return to the authentic source. Don’t you know AP Usthad represents authentic source which is also represented by Imams like Shafee, Abu Haneefa, Maliki and Hanbali Raliyallahu Anhu.

Any way, I know your position is weak, your argument is weak and you don’t have enough Imams, who have rightly interpreted Quran and Sunnah, to support. But don’t get disheartened , try and try until you succeed. But before I close one suggestion my dear friend. Please don’t feel bad.It is sincere question. Why do you oppose him despite knowing very well that AP Usthad is in the right path? It is just a suggestion my friend. I can’t force it on you. But I feel I need to be true to myself. I cannot support you anymore. I want to proclaim loudly that I was never with you and I will be never with you. I will be always be with AP Usthad and Imams of best three centuries who understood everything rightly.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #142 , JEDDAH2010-04-21
Shaikhuna A.P. Ustad is one of the distinguished personalities of Muslim Ummah.
The day starts with religious knowledge of AP Ustad ‘s syllabus has guided a lots of students of Islam into Allah’s Glorious Light. Not only in India , but through out the world, Muslim pupils are enriched with Ustad’s impeccable thoughts. Many states of India have already accepted and started Ustad’s syllabus as a right syllabus for their Islamic religious schools.

May Almighty Allah bestow him good health, wealth and long life.

May Almighty Allah grant all of us to serve Deen Al Islam under the footprint of Shaikhuna Ustad.

May heartfelt thanks go to Mr. Kamarudden and Asif Amaco Of Coastal Digest for bringing this valuable interview of A.P. Ustad.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #141 , STR DK2010-04-21
The so called 'believer' is lost his mind and can't digest the truth. May Allah show everyone right path to live with True Ahl Sunnath ideology.

May Allah give long life, health and grand success to the great Islamic Ulema Shaikuna AP Usthad to continue to lead us towards a true Ahl Sunnath right path - Ameen
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #140 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-21
Anybody would be attracted by the great achievements of revered Kanthapuram Ustad, an eminent scholar from the rural set up of Kerala. Though from Kerala, he is as close to the hearts of we south Canarites that Ullal Thangal, Kanthapuram Ustad, Perode Ustad all have become part and parcel of our Deeni life. Such is the spiritual height and greatness of these Ulemas.

It is his set up Markazusaqafath ul Sunniyya that has provided the quintessential dignity to the Islamic scholars in recent years, which is imparting much needed material education together with the spiritual education. We feel overwhelmed when we speak to the students of his institutions, who are well equipped with both worldly and spiritual education to tackle the miseries of life.

We sincerely pray to Almighty Allah to grant him health, wealth and a long life to serve Islam.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #139 , Kemmara/Putture2010-04-21
Masha Allah,A.P.Ustad is a lion of ahlussunnathvaljamahath.Definetly he is a proud of India.Because he started s revolutionary changes in educational field and he given a huge contribation to social reforms.We sincerely pray to Almighty Allah to grant him health, wealth.dignity and a long life to serve Islam.
And I would like to tell heartful thanks to CD media for their good work.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #138 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-21
Its our duty to pray that long live AP. our community need his good deeds. he has to bring up his more organization like orphange in coastal karnataka. may god bless him always to carryout the good deeds.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [4] #137 , Mangalore/Kuwait2010-04-21
I really appreciate Aburabia's comments here & I take strong objection to these people who oppose his comments.
Hence I'm really sorry for majority of these comments about so called A.P.Ustad?.Here i would like to know from these people, what this so called AP ustad's contribution & how he changed our muslim community in islamic perspective, the answer is big zero & it's sad that he & his group invited people towards shirk & bid'a,because it's well known fact that these bunch of Ostad's from Kerala welcomed by our elders to south canara in order to get good deeni education to the uneducated community & these people took advantage of our innocence & ignorance of deeni knowledge, instead they gifted us big big tombs, lot of innovations like moulood,ratheeb,khuthubiyath and now a days thousand variety of new majlis's (Only Allah knows how many more to come)in the name of islam. So here can please someone answer me whether these are all sunnah of our beloved prophet Muhammed (Sallallahu Alaihiva Sallam)???.I'm not against anyone and brothers open your eyes and come out from dark ages. common guys.
However someone commented here that he has visited so many countries around the world and has good infrastructure in Kerala bla bla bla... Is this's the criteria to judge a person whether he's good muslim or evil? It doesnt matter if this ostad possesses all these items in his name or his organization's name before Allahu Subuhanahu Watha'ala, only matters is whether these people teaches from authentic sources from the quraan and sunnah to the masses.If he gets thousand awards or certificates but propagate tshirk & innovation in the deen it won't count on the day of judgement.
Oh people wake up, you are living in a country where Islam took birth itself and you r calling people of this land as wahabbees then let me ask you all who's prophet Muhammd Sallalahu Alaihiva Sallam?? Who's sahaba's?? Who's Imam Shafi, Imam Abu Haneefa, Imam Maalik, Imam Hanbali?? And there's so many islamic scholars from this greatland and your AP never ever come close to them!!!

So my humble request to these educated as well as uneducated people here in this form, please revert back to authentic sources of islam which taught by Our beloved prophet Sallallahu Alaihiva Sallam and dont blindly follow what these musliyar say or do without checking the authenticity of it and dont stack sin on you.
I expect many people oppose & curse my comment here but i sincerely pray to all of you May Allhu Subuhanahu Watha'ala show you all right path and make all of us sin free and give us good heart to study Islam & keep all of us from shirk & innovations which take people to hell fire forever.AAMEEN
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #136 , Mangalore/Jubail KSA2010-04-21
Masha Allha!!!very nice, happy to see A.P. Ustad here,Thanks CD good Work.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #135 , addoor2010-04-20
alhamdulillah! nice interview with A.P USTAD and nice articles...thanks a lot
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #134 , sharjah.uae2010-04-20
Very good interview with A.P. Ustad. Mashallah see his face, how his look. his face is noor. may allah keep us together with Mohammed S.A in Jannah. Ameen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #133 , Abudhabi2010-04-20
mashallah very nice interview with a.p.ustad.i really appriciated his dedication to islam.A P usthad is real propagator of Ahle sunnath wal jammath.He is a very great schoolor in india which helping the society and upgrading them in to a great level,,, may allah bless him Ameeeeen
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #132 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-20
mashallah very nice interview with sheikh aboubacker ahmed.i really appriciated his dedication to islam.and thanks to costal digest
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #131 , Abudhabi Nerikode2010-04-20
Let us pray for his long life.Let Allah reward him."Ameen"
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #130 , Jubail2010-04-20
I am at loss for words to express my delight at observation and comments flowing like water admiring Shaikuna AP Ushtad's outstanding achievement and noble service to Muslim community.

The people who have used filthy comments to tarnish the great personality of AP usthad will definitely regret one day when they realize truth.

O’ Allah, bring them to right path before they breathe their last or they will be the one who face your stringent wrath …….

We do expect such kind of articles in future as well. May Almighty Allah give huge success to Coastal Digest.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #129 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-20
Nice Article. Thanks
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [2] #128 , kwt2010-04-20
dear brother don't compare his personality to the religeon.Personally maybe he is a good leader but in the context of islam to decide or follow him that,how he followss islam with out shirk,bida'a & other prohibited things.but this kanthapuram is promoting all these prohibited by our great religeon in the name of sunni ethics which is dead against of our prophet(s aw)'s sunnah & qurans teachings. at least a true muslim should codemn those prohibited things by his heart where he is in a helpless position to oppose ?
Brother, I'm not against of kaanthapuram ustad but the way way he & his followers,his chelas taking the innocent peoples to hell fire ? this is what my concern ? dont take the silsila of our beloved Prophet (saw) without proper consent.dont make false statement of such grave mistake.For the sake of argument if so he can't save others from the hell fire? follow the right path to Allah & Prophets by following sahih Hadees & sunnah than follow anybody who has his forefathers are ustaad of ustaad's or knowledge & fame in the name of Islam. May Allah guide us in his right path.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #127 , Kuwait2010-04-20
No Doubts! Qamarul Ulama Shaikhuna AP Usthad is one of the greatest ideal personalities in the global and it is factual that, people from different corner of this modern world consider him as one of the supreme distinguished Islamic Leaders because of his luminous knowledge and charity exertion, devotion and contribution, simplicity, loyalty and self-sacrificing mind-set, innovative endeavor and the top most reason is Shaikhuna AP Usthad is an ideal person where others can learn from him by seeing his tangible realistic life style. Qamarul Ulama is well recognized in KSA, UAE, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, South Africa, Kuwait and many other part of this world. Lots of dignified Arab citizens are loving, respecting and felicitating him for his exemplary spiritual hard work. Shaikhuna AP Usthad is a true ‘Ummath’ and ‘AashiqiRasool’ of our beloved prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihivasallam).

Allah has gifted Shaikhuna AP Usthad as reason to the present day directionless Indian Muslims as a priceless and or precious asset by which he manages 1000s of Orphanages, cares needy people. Islamic Scholars are finding their best ways to lighten up their own families and the general public by their acquired knowledge, skills and lifestyles in Jamia Markazu Ssaquafathi Sunniyya(JMSS), a prestigious charitable religious institution in India. JMSS gives all kind of educations and trainings (Religious, Technical, IT and other occasional courses) and 1000s of students are blessed with the quality education in this Institution.

In our experience, we have seen many Hindu, Christian and other Non-Muslim people are respecting Shaikhuna AP Usthad for his best way of commendable life and outstanding service to the society but unfortunately some of our Muslim brothers are unlucky to appreciate this legendary person due to their lack of knowledge, religious ignorance. I am just wondered on some of the negative comments in this readers forum
I request them (negative commenters), Please try to gain the knowledge from true Ulemas of Islam and cleanse out the cupidity from your heart. Let’s admire the truth of Shaikhuna AP Usthad’s universal success and universal acceptance.

Hadith:
“Jealousy destroys the good deeds like how the fire burns wood.”

Quran:
“Jealousy is the enemy of my bounty, that a person is displeased upon anything which I have given to someone”.

This CD Media is amazing! It is truly an asset to all community people in south canara, Karnataka. The site is easy to read and is packed with useful & latest information and focusing on people’s concerns. The entire readers (see the comments from the different corner of the globe!) are proved that ‘Costal Digest’ is a ‘media of worldwide’. THANKS a bunch CD Team.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #126 , Riyadh-SaudiArabia2010-04-20
Let us pray for the renowned leader; May Almighty Allah bestow GOOD HEALTH with the long life & reward him."Ameen"
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #125 , Mangalore2010-04-20
Shaikuna Qamarul ulama is one of the greatest person of this era.there is no doubt about that.thanks CD team for this article.may Allah bless him with health and long life ameen.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #124 , Pitthel, Aramex2010-04-20
Alhamdullilah, happy to see A.P. Ustad interview here.
Today he is the one strongest one man who can raise his voice for ISLAM world.
Kanthapuram serves as the SIMPLE AND best Chairman for many Educational Institutions, which are spread all over India and world.AP Usthad's service to Islamic society is great.

I sincerely pray to almighty Allah bless him with good health and longlife May ALLAH fullfil all his desires

HE IS a gift from Allah for all Muslims especially like me, who I was uneducated in ISLAM. AM proud to be indian and Ustad he is too. alhamdullillah,i request you a BROTHERS let us stand once and say loudly ALLAHU AKBAR, he is the best he will never wrong againST ISLAM, Kanthapuram ustad is an outstanding personality, SPeechless word for who worked for POOR PEOPLE and teached for them who is not aware of base of islam and who given a chance to build their carrier in his compound.
Masha Allah great article and intriew by respected team.
His services and achievement to society is endless.AFTER the reading all the comments here I am remember one old KANNADA FOLKES "KATTEGE ENN GOTTHHU KASTURI PARIMALA" DEARS believe me NO DOUBT that HE IS THE BEST and strongest LEADER FOR ISLAM in todays world for us.i wish him heartedly may almighty ALLAH brings him MORE vast knowledge about ISLAMIC and support to save ISLAM.I APPRICIATE AND HEARTEDLY THANKS TO coastal digest Team to give me an opportunity to write my words.

shukran CD Team

ashraf Pitthel
saudi arabia
 
 
Like [4]Dislike [1] #123 , Doddamane, Ullal2010-04-20
Its very nice to see Mr.Asif taking the interview with Qamarul Ulama A.P.Ustad. He's lucky enough to have the time with AP Ustad. Timely questions were raised and we should see the excellent response from the great leader. We are thankful to brother Kamaruddeen for the article. There are lot to say about AP Ustad, but the space doesn't permit me to write. Let us accept his leadership and pray to Almighty Allah to bestow him sound health, Eiman to lead the society. Thx.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #122 , Dubai2010-04-19
Maashaa Allah,
It's great pleasure..
I have no words to explain.
Al-Hamdulillah
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #121 , Dubai2010-04-19
Alhamdulillah.May allah bless all those who worked behind this interviw.Very nice and appreciating interview.A.P Usthad is indeed a great true Islamic Scholar understood and recognized by the world community.Even the enemies can see it.
Some poeple will see everythings negetive as it is their nature.So we need not to say anything to them.Try to be positive
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #120 , Dubai2010-04-19
I am very shame to you Abu Humaira...Very very pitty that I cannot express becuase you say you only understand Islam and Thowheed.Your comment is not new to Islam.when our beloved Prophet(S.A.W) came with Thouheed and made so miracles many poeple didnt get chance to understand and follow him and some others showed jealousy even they knew the true.To accept the truth there is a luck and order from Allah.
You say a great Scholar like Shaikuna A.P Usthad does not make out Thowheed.Can you even guess the number of Kithabs that A.P Usthad read.If you are unable to even imagine the great works done by him, please dont be so jealous.Such a jealous May be make you mad, so be alarmed.
May Allah bless you to understand his personality.Aameen
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #119 , Lakshadweep2010-04-19
Alhamdu lillah


AP USTHAD is now shining all over the world.

I can proudly say that i am one of the student of Kanthapuram Usthad......

i appreciate you and request you to give articles about such great personals instead of giving vast articles about terrorists with islamic name.........
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #118 , Dammam2010-04-19
It is very happy to read usthad and hear his views and ideas.
May Allah give him long life with Afiyath.
Ameen
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [2] #117 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-19
I appreciate ustad for his work on islam and all his good deed, he must have taken lots of hard work (masha Allah) to come to this stage and I respect him for that. I pray to Allah to give him good health and strength to do more and more good work on spreading islam in the entire world.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #116 , ksa2010-04-19
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community....Qamarul ulama A.P ustahdh
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #115 , Saudi Arabia2010-04-19
May Allah gave him long life. We pray for him. He is a great leader of our century.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #114 , kannur / kerala2010-04-19
Glade to read this interview and thanks to Kamaruddin for such good article.
Dear Abu humaira & others who writes the comments against Sheikh AP Musliyar- The visionary

Your comments itslef dipicts you are so jealous with one of the great Islamic scholars & social reformist of India. We will say at any cost and its truth that Sheikh AP ustad's face is noor and he is a jewel in the crown of islamic faith.
I salute to abu mohammed for his comments.
May All bless him with good helath and long life. Ameen
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #113 , Palathumkara2010-04-19
Too much nice interview with usthad.
Allah,Grand him long life to serve and lead our community .Ameen
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #112 , Mangalore/K.S.A Dammam2010-04-19
Very nice interview with qamarul ulama A.P. Ustad. Mashallah, I appriciate his dedicaton to islam, Thanks to Mr Kamarudeen for you good work and coastal digest for this article.jazaakaumullahu khair
 
 
Like [4]Dislike [1] #111 , surathkal2010-04-19
you either praise or blame AP ustahd , but one is truth AP ustad created big History by his noble work and continuing his job, when surrounded by all enimies he getting Almighty Allah special Help, so AP utshad stand up with strong power, ibadathm ilm , good character and social works all are we can see on Ap usthad, i assume only orpahns prayers will enough to him to get all dignity, and I felt pety on some commenters how they can show jelous on him, Allh made AP ustahd imam for muhminoons.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #110 , Talapady, Mangalore2010-04-19
Dear Marthadka Kunhippa, whenever speak or tell something please think before what you are saying or telling. don't get curse from allah.
 
 
Like [6]Dislike [1] #109 , Mangalore2010-04-19
Dear Marthadka Kunchippa, kaliyoor,Meenja

What sort of severe hatred is this. You seem to identify yourself with the other group and you call him Dajjal, Na’oodubillah! My brother, we are all Sunnis and what else is above this. Is there any difference in the ideology between 2 groups. If at all there is any difference of opinion, that is organizational and has nothing to do with our faith. Then, how do you rebuke another brother to such an extent, let alone a scholar like AP Ustad.

I am a staunch supporter of AP Ustad for years. Nevertheless, I cannot even imagine hating or rebuking the scholars identified themselves with the other group. How is it possible for a Mu’min to say and write derogatory things about another brother in public. There was difference of opinion among Shahaba Kiram after the time of Rasool Sallallahu Alaihivasallam and do you find in the history books of Islam any quotable hatred or defamation of one another. If no, whom do you consider your leader? Is it not certain to the readers that your derogatory remarks aptly refer to you only.

After all, what is the fitna you are referring to? In my entire 17 years of association with AP group, by Allah I have not heard a single activist rebuking the scholars of other group. Upon hearing any remarks from the other group, the most they would comment is “let Allah see where the truth is”. I haven’t heard a single ulema of AP group rebuking the scholars of other group in their speech or write ups. On the other hand, should I mess up my this write up intended to clear the misunderstanding, writing the hatred of your group toward AP Ustad and others at every available opportunity. No I will not do that.

Shaikuna Ustad by the immense grace of Allah has achieved a lot of things within a short span of time, which others could not even have been imagined. Is this what you call fitna. Strenghening Allah’s Deenual Islam is what you call Fitna. In my opinion the division was a Raham and both groups have strived their best to achieve a lot for only the benefits Muslim Ummah.

Be always positive and appreciate the things done by your others. And more over protect your Iman from a bad end.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [0] #108 , Deira,Dubai,UAE2010-04-19
Mashah Allah,nice interview with janab AP usthad.Nice article.He is a good scholar of islam.He is a real guidance to our generation .May Allah(swt)grant him long and healthy life.Thanx Mr Kamarudeen and coastal digest for this article
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [1] #107 , Naif,Deira,Dubai,UAE2010-04-19
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community....and Bless us to live under his guidence
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #106 , Dubai2010-04-19
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community....and Bless us to live under his guidence
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #105 , Mangalore2010-04-19
Good Article. Thanks to coast Digets for such articles
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #104 , Riyadh, Saudi Arabia2010-04-19
A.P.ustad is a great Islamic scholar and leader of Ahlussunnathi wal jama'th. An exemplary leader for the world. He spread peace amoung relegions and a motivation of Kerala muslims in all aspects.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #103 , Riyadh2010-04-19
MashaAllah;Alhamdullilahi Rabbil Aalameen.Really he is a very big personality,he is honourable and thank god to get a very good scholar to understand and teach us also very fabulous students and they are all the assents to the whole sunnies to understand all the modern musriks to spread the great massages of our profect mohammed (s.a.w)to the world.May allah subha allah give a good health and a good assents to our whole world
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #102 , JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA2010-04-19
mashallah very nice interview with qumarul ulama seik aboobeker ahmed.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #101 , riyadh2010-04-19
ALLAHU SUBUHANAHU WA TAALA IHFIZNA AN FITNATI MARTHADKA KUNCHIPPA
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #100 , Panemanglore2010-04-19
To
Marthadka Kunchippa, kaliyoor,Meenja

Followers of Iblis always hate the great work of AP usthad & other five other members in order to please their leader in ........ .

Allah will make their path easy for them to reach their leader for branding AP Usthad & other five members including Tajul Ulema Ullah Thnagal as dajjaloona qazzaboona.

Great work to the society always seems to be fitna to iblis. How can his followers be different from it.
Iblis is waiting for your arrival to share something with you that Allah has decided to give him.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #99 , Riyadh-batha2010-04-19
al hamdulilla- among the ulama in the present world he was great leader one muslim in the world. thanks A.P Usthad.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #98 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-19
A.P Usthad is a wonderful personality and a gift from Allah for all Muslims especially to the Orphans.Who else can we present to the world as a Muslim leader from India. I am very proud of him as i have personal relation with him.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #97 , Jeddah2010-04-19
Masha-Allah ...Very nice
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #96 , Jeddah, marhaba2010-04-19
Alhamdulillah, Allahummah Barik feeh, Yaa Allah make our beloved leader strong, confident and bold in his words, works and vision. Allah give us long chance to work under him as long as possible. And Allah unite us all with our Prophet Mohamed (Swallallahu Alaihi Wasallam)fil jannah, ameen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #95 , Mangalore2010-04-19
Good Comments
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #94 , Mangalore2010-04-19
Masha Allah iam really proud of CD team for your great achievement.There is no doubt that Qamarul ulama is not only the great scholar in India but also from the fort of Saudi Arabia to the America.A.P.Ustad is known to be the sulthanul ulama.thanks CD team for the great article.May Allah bless him with health and long life to work for Ahlu sunnath wal jamath .
 
 
Like [4]Dislike [0] #93 , Mangalore2010-04-19
To Abu Humaira Kuwait,

I laugh at the absurdity of your comments!! Would you have commented as below if people had lauded some other personalities. If you do not subscribe to his views and ideals and if you cannot digest his popularity, do not read, just forgo it. Many do the same.

Then what is that all respect to him you are talking about. Before commenting about a true scholar and becoming a butt of ridicule, learn at least to spell Islam. AP Ustad can relate the Silsila (Chain) of his teachers accurately until it reaches to Prophet Muhammed Mustafa Sallallahu Alaihivasallam. That itself is the authentication that he is a real Muwahhid in Islamic context as understood by the whole Muslim Ummah throughout the generations. Perhaps, it is impossible for you to cite some names so called Muwahhids scholars of your understanding narrating their silsila this way. That is why people hail AP Usthad so much. Common, you must have sincerity to accept the truth and not just throw some illogical statements that obviously reveals your prejudice.

This is not the forum to talk about the authenticity of Hadith. There are appropriate forums where it could be discussed and proved to you. Here it is general answer to your prejudice

Shame on you that you term such a great scholar as a person against Quran and Sunnah symbolizing him as Mushrik. I pity on you. Let me quote this authentic hadith and conclude this for you to conclude your position in the light of below hadith:

"What I fear most for you, is a man who reads the Qur'an until such time when the blessing of Qur'an is reflected on him and he takes Islam as his Cloak ... he then turns around and strips himself off from Islam and then tosses it away behind his back, then he heads quickly towards his neighbour with his sword unsheathed and he calls him a 'MUSHRIK'" I said: "O, Prophet of Allah! Who is more worthy of being called a MUSHRIK the one being attacked or the attacker". He replied, "It is indeed the attacker."
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #92 , KSA2010-04-19
Kanthapuram is an outstanding personality who worked for the upliftment of Muslim community all over especially in Kerala. This fact has reflected on others becoming jealous and enemy against him. The innovators were tied in a cicles by his student scholers with no way to escape. Jazakallah.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #91 , Manjeshwar2010-04-19
I really appreciates you Mr. Aslam, Madani Nagar, yes some people are feeling jealous on Sunni Halims. They does know anything about Islam and telling like everything they knows.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #90 , Mangalore2010-04-19
Masha Allah great article and intriew by CD team.AP Ustad is one of the greatest leader of Muslim umma not only in India but also through out the world.His services and achievement to society is countless.May Allah bless him good health.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #89 , DAMMAM2010-04-19
Sheikhuna Ustad is a great personality.may ALLAH bless him for his selfless and relentless service for our muslim comunity.
I appreciate to Mr.Kamaruddin for your wonderful article about a great person.
Thanks & May ALLAH bless you.
 
 
Like [7]Dislike [0] #88 , Alekala, Ullal2010-04-19
I felt very pity on Mr.Abu Humaira while reading his comments. Its very evident that he's so jealous with one of the great Islamic scholars & social reformist of India Sheikh Abubackar bin Ahmad[A.P.Ustad]. I was like him [mr Abu Humaira]few years ago as I was so jealous on A.P.Ustad as he was attracted by thousands in India. My respect towards him increased when he met Anti-minorities chief Minister of Gujarat Mr.Modi and was able to get his approval to run Islamic Madrasas inside Gujarat hased on the syllabus of Markaz.! Subhanallah.. What a great personality & power Allah bestowed to A.P.Ustad. After this incident, my mind insisted me to go & see MARAKAZ campus in Calicut personally. I was very much amazed to see the developments, orphans from different states studing in this campus, excellent dress code Ulemas. I tried all my best to meet Shaikhuna A.P.Ustad and I was shcoked to see lot of people waiting outside his office with several requests and he was consoling one by one and he prayed for our success. HE's a GREAT LEADER and it was Almighty Allah who gave him all these respect. We have to admit and accept it with pleasure without any prejudice or jealous. Thx to Coastal digest for publishing this article and I feel very much happy to see the PROUD face Shaikuna A.P.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [8] #87 , kaliyoor,Meenja2010-04-19
the first fitna created and devided muslim community in kerala all credits goes to Kanthapuram &and his other five members.then they spread the fitna all over wide.thats why we are calling him dajjaloona qazzaboona.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #86 , Kuwait2010-04-19
May Allah gave him long life. We pray for him. He is a great leader of our century.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #85 , Koottayi2010-04-19
Sheikhuna qamarul ulama Ap ustad is a great scholar of islam.he is an enlightenment to our society.may Allah (swt)
We pray to allah to give him long and healthy life.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #84 , Mangalaore/U.A.E2010-04-19
Nice Article. May Allah bless him with good health and long life. Thanks CD for pulishing good articles.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #83 , ksa2010-04-19
ASSALAAMU ALAIKUM, Very good interview with qamarul ulama A.P. Ustad. Mashallah, I appriciate his dedicaton to islam, and we can pray for him, yaa allah give him a long chance for service and give a good health for that aameen yaa rabb
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #82 , oman2010-04-19
masha allha, may allha bless him and us
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #81 , UAE .URANGATTIRI2010-04-19
WELL DONE RESPECTED SCHOLAR SHIEKH ABUBAKAR AHMAD! WHAT A NICE WORDS AND CUTE SENTENCES!! BRAVO. i think, no other scholar in India enable to react like this.i appreciate also the conductor of this Valuable interface with Well known scholar SHIEKH ABUBAKAR AHMAD.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #80 , dammam2010-04-19
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community....Qamarul ulama A.P ustahdh
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #79 , Bangaluru2010-04-19
coastal digest cud boost the social workers by putting forward this interview with Sheik Aboobaker of Kerala.this great intellectual and inspiring leadership we can expect a promising future for the marginalized, downtrodden people in north and middle India. May the almighty shower him and us all with his blessings
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #78 , Bangaluru2010-04-19
The intellectual and inspiring leadership of Shiek Aboobaker definitely brought the Muslim community to the mainstream in Kerala and effort to remake marginalized people in north and middle India has been well appreciated and supported.we also can be in the row to stand with this great scholar
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #77 , Abudhabi2010-04-19
Good....Great interview with Qamarul ulama A.P Aboobacker Musliyar Kanthapuram ustahdh.
spcil thnx to C.D team
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #76 , Dubai2010-04-19
Though iwas unable to attend the function for some reasons,myself and all beary's,all muslims ,non muslims irrespective of thier relegion's,cast,creed everyone adore and admire Ustad.
I heard Ustad's speeches on many occasion,it was so inspiring and highly spiritual.Markhazzusakafathussunniyya is the great and just one example for his undue service.
May Almighty Allah bless good health to Ustad and his family.
Thanks for the article,is an eye opener for every individul towards their responsibility to the society.A right move indeed.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #75 , Oman2010-04-19
I really respect him alot. He has a wonderful personality of the time and I always like to watch his achievements. We need such a great personalities to overcome the hurdles of time. May The Almighty Allah bless him with long and healthy life to be the leading light of the whole society and Muslims.
Jazakallahu Haire
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #74 , King Fahd University, Saudi Arabia2010-04-19
I have never heard such a great scholar like Sheik Abubacker musliyar Kanthapuram who has devoted his entire life for the social and educational progress of muslim society in Independent India. No doubt, his great effort to the revive peace and mercy among muslims and other communities is praiseworthy. May Almighty Allah bestow him long and long healthy life.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #73 , CALICUT2010-04-19
A P USTHAD IS A HIGHTHINKER.HIS STEPS IS VERY BENIFITFUL.ALLAH BLESS US AND USTHAD.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #72 , uae2010-04-19
very pricious interviw
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #71 , Riyadh2010-04-18
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [11] #70 , Mnagalore/ kuwait2010-04-18
With the all respects to kantapuram, AFTER the read all the comments here I am remembering a old KANNADA folk’lore ‘JANA MARULO, JAATRE MARULO” . everybody competing here to liftup the kantapuram in a manner which is very familier to their group. Somebody saying, ‘NOOR’ somebody ‘builder of 1000 mosques’ somebody ‘crown of all scholars’. What’s going on here. Allah will not going to count how many buildings you have buit. How beautiful loking you are, how many followers you have. No, not at all. Allah will count only one thing that is, is the person was an MUWAHHID or no? muwahhid is the person who believe in allah's oneness in all the way. And should be follower of the quran and authentic hadith. Nothing else. If you are following this, you are in a right path. Otherwise your buildings, followers, awards will not benefit you any way. This is my sincere du’a, 'O,ALLAH please show the right path (sirathe mustaqeem) and hidayah to our community and give them the right knowledge of quran and authentic sunnah. Ameen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #69 alibaai, Mohammed Ali/Al Jubail/Mangalore2010-04-18
Dear brother safawan junaud thank you for your comments. In my comments I am try to show our Government stand on minority personalities. The government must consider AP Ustads commitment towards society. But they not consider, because of he was from minority society.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [1] #68 , Riyadh2010-04-18
Great interview with Qamarul ulama A.P Aboobacker Musliyar Kanthapuram ustahdh.
thnx alot C.D team
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #67 , manchi2010-04-18
he is real star of the muslim world.may allha give him long life.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #66 , Mangalore2010-04-18
Masha Allah, this is the first time people have responded with enthusiasm to an article. This only is enough to prove the love of people of Ahl Sunnah towards this greatest of great scholar. I do not use the word “popular”, for so many people are popular for so many reasons. He is simply loved by the people, because he occupied a place in their hearts through his selfless and relentless community service.
Are people revering him just because he is a scholar who has vast knowledge about Islamic science, jurisprudence etc.? NO, he is a scholar of sublimity, nobleness, who has great insight of spiritual science. One of the brothers rightly commented that just the mention of his name invigorates the Islamic spirit. Yes, that is because he is not a worldly scholar, he is a scholar of eternity.
To recap, Shaikuna Ustad is a perfect example of Allah elevating in ranks someone very closer to him. Though I intend to write a lot in praise of Shaikuna Ustad, time and space doesn’t permit me.
Ya Allah, grant him good health and a long life to serve Islam and give us also an opportunity to be part of his service to Islam.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #65 , bangalore2010-04-18
he is a very great schoolor in india which helping the society and upgrading them in to a great level,,, may allah bless him
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #64 , Jubail2010-04-18
Shaikuna AP Ustad is the soul of Islamic activities in Kerala and parts of Karnataka. Apart from being a great visionary, he is the essence of our Islamic life and faith in this trying times. The revolutionary changes he has brought about in the Madarassa education is ever commendable. Being a great promoter of peace among all communities, his politeness and humbleness is ideal to anyone.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #63 , Jubail2010-04-18
He has never desired for felicitation from anyone other than Allah. It is people who felicitate or appreciate him for his great achievement. It is Almighty Allah’s decision that people should honor him for his selfless service. Nobody can stop people awarding him except Allah.

Almighty Allah always bless the people whom he loves with great success. It is very disgusting some people feel jealous of the success of a great Scholar whom Allah has bestowed with success.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #62 , Abu Dhabi/Karinganad2010-04-18
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community.And e love and respect him from deep of our heart.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #61 , Riyadh-Puttur2010-04-18
MashaAllah-very nice interview of our beloved scholar Qaamarul Ulema A.P. ABOOBAKKAR MUSLIYAR.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #60 , Mangalore2010-04-18
from kanyakumari to Kashmer you can see his social & educational service, lots of orpan students qualified as moulavi, engineer, doctors, AP usthad has lots of new projet, and every project is only for uplift of community. and every day after subhi namaz he teaching sahihul bukhari class, india largest gathering jamath namaz is in Marakz masjid only ,every day thousand more orphan & other student make duha for ustahd. what a great !!!!
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #59 , BAYAMBADY/PUTTUR2010-04-18
"ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN VOICE" A.P.USTHADS ACTION IN THE RIGHT PATH A LONG WITH THE PRESENT TREND IN EDUCATION
FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS VERY MUCH HELPFULL.. FEEL VERY HAPPY FOR HIS PLAN OF EXTENDING HIS VISION TO MANGLORE AS WEL OTHER PART OF INDIA.. LET ALL OF US JOIN HAND TO HAND WITH HIM FOR NOBLE CAUSE....
SPECIAL THANKS TO COSTAL DIGEST TEAM FOR
APPRECIATION AND ESTABLISHING USTHAD'S PLAN ...MAY ALLAH BLESS ALL OF US AMEEEN
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #58 , Riyadh2010-04-18
Assalam Alaikum, Masha Allah great interview with Qamarul ulama A.P ustahdh.
thnx alot C.D team-----
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #57 , Maranchery malappuram2010-04-18
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #56 , Kodagu now in Bahrain2010-04-18
Let us pray for his long life.Let Allah reward him."Ameen"
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #55 , Dukhan, Qatar2010-04-18
A scholar with only good intentions can do many things what others can't. And if he is not afraid of any one or anything other than allah, the result is AP Usthad. What common men has to do is to support him with all resourses.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #54 , Abu dhabi2010-04-18
Markaz is improving vastly and AP usthad’s name & fame is being spread all over day by day for the wonderful service he is rendering to the society. He has wiped out the tears of lots of orphans being a real parent for them.

CD has really done a excellent job by publishing article of a prominent personality of the Muslim society
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [5] #53 , RE: Mohammed Ali/Al Jubail/Mangalore2010-04-18
We are not doing the deeds for expecting felicitation from anyone other than Allah(SWT),In your words I think he has done all thes for expecting the award.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #52 , RIYADH2010-04-18
May Allah bless him with good health and long life to serve Mulsim community --- Ameen.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #51 , B.C. Road/ Saudi Arabia2010-04-18
Masha Allah, did any one observe about two reel Muslims among these commentators, who are advising AP ustad to propagate real Islam. I am wondering about the audacity of these obnoxious creatures commenting about such an eminent scholar of Islam.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #50 , Puttur,Dammam2010-04-18
Masha Allah..!!Very nice to see interview with A.P Ustad.As a social and humanitarian activist, Kanthapuram is a role model.Kanthapuram stands against those powers who are politically exploiting the Muslims.

Kanthapuram serves as the chief patron and Chairman for the plenty of Educational Institutions, which are spread all over India.AP Usthad's service to Islamic society is great.

I sincerely pray to almighty Allah bless him with good health and longlife May allah fullfil all his desires--- ameen.

I appreciate & thanks to Mr. Kamarudeen for your needed article.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #49 , riyadh2010-04-18
a very interseting article abt the great leader from kerala, so interested inhis views and ideas , glad tht the paper made an interview with him publshed in english language
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #48 , KASARAGOD2010-04-18
mashallah i really appriciate his dedicaton to islam, he is a genuine personality which makes us proud.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #47 , Arlapadavu2010-04-18
We are eagerly waiting for A P usthad's educational project in Mangalore and its is much needed also as he visioned it. May allah fullfill this dream as soon as possible.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #46 , U A E2010-04-18
Very happy to go through the nice article about our great usthad Oamarul Ulema AP Usthad. Thanks CD for your good effort in bringing out the acheivement of Shaikuna AP Usthad.Nice interview with A.P. Ustad. i appreciate and Thanks to coastal Digest.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #45 , Soorinje2010-04-18
Without consideration of age see the spirit of spreading Islam to the world. Really appreciated for his willingness to develop Education which will uplift Muslims.May allah keep us together with Mohammed S.A in Jannah. Ameen.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #44 , Jubail, Saudi Arabia2010-04-18
There is no doubt that AP Ustad is a great islamic scholar. His contribution to our muslim community have achieved the distinction. Mashah Allah,nice article and interview with AP usthad.I pray almighty Allah to grant him long and healthy life. Thanks to Mr Kamarudeen and coastal digest for this article
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #43 , Jeddah, KSA2010-04-18
Masha Allah! Great article.

May Allah bless him with good health and long life May Allah fulfil all his desires--- Ameen.

Our hearty thanks for this worthy interview with the great scholar AP Usthad.

Let me allow to post and broadcast by our blogs.


Jazzakkallah Khair.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #42 , Riyadh2010-04-18
Masha ALLAH!.for this article. AP usthad has done progress in social and education upbringing of muslim community. We sincerely pray to Almighty Allah to grant him health, wealth and a long life to serve Islam.
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #41 , Jubail2010-04-18
He is a great asset to Muslim community.

May Almighty give him long life
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #40 , Dammam / KSA2010-04-18
Honoured to read more about AP Usthad, we wish and pray that Ushad will be the center point to bring both sunni groups together (Insha Allah) Remove the obstacles and road blocks on this issue for the betterment of our society.
May Alllah (SWT) fullfill your aim on building a Markaz in Mangalore (Ameen)
 
 
Like [0]Dislike [0] #39 , Jeddah, Saudi Arabia2010-04-18
Masha Allah very good and informative interview. May allah give strength to Usthad to fulfuill all his wishes. Insha allah he will be remembered for ever for his determination and submission of his life for this great venture.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [0] #38 , BC Road2010-04-18
We are grateful to AP Usthad's role in establishing Masjid Thaqwa in Manglore. It was a great moment to see all the scholars together in Masjid Thaqwa.

We are so confident that there will be a big Islamic centre soon in Mangalore by the good effort of AP Usthad.

AP Usthad, will leave no stone unturned to accomplish the great cause.

“May almighty Allah give him good health and long life”
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #37 , uae2010-04-18
our hearty thanks for this worthy interview with the great scholar AP Usthad. i shall post some of the lines to our blog and give the link to this interview.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [0] #36 , cherpulassery-palakkad2010-04-18
Very good interview with A.P. Ustad. Mashallah see his face, how his look. his face is noor. may allah keep us together with Mohammed S.A in Jannah. Ameen
Such a great scholar he is that just a mention of his name invigorates Islamic spirit within us. We love and respect him from deep of our heart. He is a jewel in the crown of Islamic faith
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #35 , Kolthige2010-04-18
Masha Allah! Great article.
May Allah bless him with good health and longlife May allah fullfil all his desires--- ameen.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #34 , Elimeale, Sullia2010-04-18
Thanks CD for coverage. AP usthad is a great leader and done lot of good things for deen and society.
 
 
Like [6]Dislike [1] #33 , Saudi Arabia2010-04-18
I suggesting all of you once to visit Markaz Campus , then you would know what is the wonderful of Markaz.. we can’t see such leadership from anyone ? AP Ustad is every seconds bussy with social & religious work, AP Ustad established more then thousands Masjid across India , recently ustad completed 50 Masjid in Bangal and he started to provide 50 water supply center in Bangal under his sweet water project , markaz Branches also in working all over india . thanks Mr. Asif and Kamar we pray to Almighty Allah to grant him healt and a long life to serve Islam.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #32 , Puttur2010-04-18
Masha Allah. Nice coverage by CD
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #31 , dammam-saudi arabia2010-04-18
Mashaa Allah Very nice interview, thanks
jazaakaumullahu khair
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #30 , Kolthige2010-04-18
Allahu Akbar, May Allah bless them with long life and health. I really appreciate CD for the coverage. Good job CD.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #29 , Kondangeri, Coorg2010-04-18
A P usthad is a great philanthropist. He has done lot of charity works and brought up educational revolution in in india especially in kerala and karnataka. great work CD.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #28 , Dubai2010-04-18
Very happy to go through the nice article about our great usthad Oamarul Ulema AP Usthad. Thanks CD for your good effort in bringing out the acheivement of Shaikuna AP Usthad.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #27 , Kolakeri, Madikeri, Coorg2010-04-18
AP usthad is world known scholar in todays world. He is one of the leader of global muslims. Global muslims appreciate his work. follow his leadership. Thanks CD for coverage
 
 
Like [7]Dislike [11] #26 , Dubai2010-04-18
Yes there are many scholars Masha ALLAH!. Real Scholars are those who preach and practice the Quran and authentic Sunna without spreading shirk and bida. In Islam there is no purohitagiri. Just follow direct Quran and our Prophet Sallallahu Alahi Wa Sallam.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #25 , Mangalore/Dubai2010-04-18
Nice Article. Thanks to CD for publishing such important and valuable person.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #24 , thumbe2010-04-18
qamarul ulama Ap ustad is a great scholar of islam.he is a enlightenment to our society.may Allah (swt)
give him long and healthy life.thanx cd team for such a good article
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #23 , bairikatte/jubail2010-04-18
Pleasure to read views and thoughts of one of the great prominent personality of the present Islamic world, I attended numerous classes and speeches of ustad when I was in India. Thank you costal digest to bring us the special interview .
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #22 , Bangalore2010-04-18
Kanthapuram usthad is one of the great scholar among the sunni muslims, and has been giving a lot of conributions as Ilm, and charity and all other good activities for Indian Muslims not only for keralites. His acivities are very apraciable and welcome all his activities instead of critisizing him.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #21 , thumbe2010-04-18
happy to read about AP ustad he is a role model to all our upcoming ulemas.May Allah(swt)give him healthy long life.thanx to coastal digest
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #20 , RE: Interview with A P Usthad: The Visionary2010-04-18
I never miss any conference, which is being attended by AP Usthad and have visited many times to Karandoor where Markaz is situated. All the buildings in the Markaz campus enlighten us how great his achievement and contribution to Islamic society is. Markaz has been rendering a great service to Islamic society by producing a great number of Alims in even Dakshina Kannada. No more words to express his great service to our society.

Thanks Mr. Kamarudeen for your much needed article in Coastal Digest
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #19 , Jalsoor2010-04-18
A P usthad is real propagator of Ahle sunnath wal jammath. Thanks CD.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #18 , Bangalore2010-04-18
Thanks CD for this article. AP usthad has done progress in social and education upbringing of muslim community.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #17 , Panemangalore2010-04-18
I never miss any conference, which is being attended by AP Usthad and have visited many times to Karandoor where Markaz is situated. All the buildings in the Markaz campus enlighten us how great his achievement and contribution to Islamic society is. Markaz has been rendering a great service to Islamic society by producing a great number of Alims in Dakshina Kannada as well. No more words to express his great service to our society. May Almighty Allah give him grand success all his life.

Thanks Mr. Kamarudeen for your much needed article in Coastal Digest.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #16 , Alekkadi2010-04-18
Masha Allah!!!. Glad to read this interview. He is a great philanthropist. Thanks CD.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #15 , Jalsoor2010-04-18
He is the real "qamar" (Qamarul Ulema) among the ulemas in the present world now. he is a great leader working for the uplift of scattered sunni muslims and revive sunni conventional religious teaching
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #14 , Puttur2010-04-18
Good one. A P usthad has done revolution in social, spiritual and educational fields. he has given shelter to lot of orphan children and fed food and educaion for them. May allah bless him long life with good health
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #13 , Yenmoor.2010-04-18
Masha allah. Nice aricle to read. He is the great leader in this decade in sprirital and social upbringing of muslim community in india. thanks kamarudeen for your work.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [0] #12 , Jubail2010-04-18
AP Usthad's service to Islamic society is great. There were days, Moulvis were just considered for teaching in Madarasa. But the Institions like Markaz has proved that Moulvis can even become doctors despite being religious scholars. Markaz has been producing a many Islamic scholars who can compete equally with highly educated in the society. We are proud of our religious scholars who are capable of translating English speeches into our mother language easily in many conference. The Man behind all these success is our great personality AP Usthad. “May Almighty Allah give him long life in order to achieve more and more in the field of both education.

Thanks a lot CD for bringing out the good article about ever shining personality.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #11 , Vittla,Jubail2010-04-18
Mashah Allah,nice interview with janab AP usthad.Nice article.He is a good scholar of islam.He is a real guidance to our generation .May Allah(swt)grant him long and healthy life.Thanx Mr Kamarudeen and coastal digest for this article
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [2] #10 , kwt2010-04-18
With all maasha-allah to a.p ustad let ustad support & spread true islam teached by our beloved Prophet in india & all over the world without looking for his name or benfits.may allah give him the courage.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #9 , Jalsoor2010-04-18
Nice to read the interview with AP usthad. May Allah bestow him good health and long life. Shaikuna Qamarul Ulama AP usthad has brought 'izzath' to muslim community in india. He has done lot of social, spiritual and educational progress in india, especially in kerala and karnatka. He is a great leader in this era.
 
 
Like [1]Dislike [0] #8 , Mangalore2010-04-18
Nice Article. Thanks to coast Digets for such articls.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #7 , Jubail / KSA2010-04-18
Anybody would be attracted by the great achievements of revered Kanthapuram Ustad, an eminent scholar from the rural set up of Kerala. Though from Kerala, he is as close to the hearts of we south Canarites that Ullal Thangal, Kanthapuram Ustad, Perode Ustad all have become part and parcel of our Deeni life. Such is the spiritual height and greatness of these Ulemas.

It is his set up Markazusaqafathul Sunniyya that has provided the quintessential dignity to the Islamic scholars in recent years, which is imparting much needed material education together with the spiritual education. We feel overwhelmed when we speak to the students of his institutions, who are well equipped with both worldly and spiritual education to tackle the miseries of life.

We sincerely pray to Almighty Allah to grant him health, wealth and a long life to serve Islam.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #6 , dammam2010-04-18
mashallah very nice interview with a.p.ustad.i really appriciated his dedication to islam.and thanks to costal digest
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #5 , Suralpady/Saudi Arabia2010-04-18
Such a great scholar he is that just a mention of his name invigorates Islamic spirit within us. We love and respect him from deep of our heart. He is a jewel in the crown of Islamic faith.
 
 
Like [2]Dislike [0] #4 , Dammam2010-04-18
Nice interview with A.P. Ustad. i appreciate and Thanks to coastal Digest.
 
 
Like [3]Dislike [1] #3 , mangalore2010-04-18
Very good interview with A.P. Ustad. Mashallah see his face, how his look. his face is noor. may allah keep us together with Mohammed S.A in Jannah. Ameen.
 
 
Like [5]Dislike [0] #2 , riyadh2010-04-18
mashallah i really appriciate his dedicaton to islam, he is a genuine personality which makes us proud.
 
 
Like [6]Dislike [1] #1 alibaai, Mohammed Ali/Al Jubail/Mangalore2010-04-18
Very nice interview with A.P Ustad. I think that the Government of India is neglected his dedication to the society because of only Muslim. Otherwise he has facilities with Padmashri award long ago.
 

Add comment

1. Coastaldigest.com reserves the right to delete or block any comments.
2. Coastaldigset.com is not responsible for its readers’ comments.
3. Comments that are abusive, incendiary or irrelevant are strictly prohibited.
4. Please use a genuine email ID and provide your name to avoid rejection.


Security code
Refresh (click the refresh link if image is not clear)

Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner
Banner